End of the 1%ers?
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
The puke-inducing self-opinion that the RAF is better than everyone else and sense of self-entitlement is just amazing.
Those above will have make more 'operational' decisions than you will do in a lifetime - 24/7/365 - and not from a p*ss-stained chair in the corner of some mess whilst trying to do the DT crossword.
Those above will have make more 'operational' decisions than you will do in a lifetime - 24/7/365 - and not from a p*ss-stained chair in the corner of some mess whilst trying to do the DT crossword.
HM Gov recently advertised my old job, I was on 30k in 2001 and today in 2017 that same job pays 35k - 16 years on and just 5k more means a significant drop in real earnings when compared to the rise in the true 'cost of living'.
I'd say that's a problem for anyone in a branch of government service.
I'd say that's a problem for anyone in a branch of government service.
HM Gov recently advertised my old job, I was on 30k in 2001 and today in 2017 that same job pays 35k - 16 years on and just 5k more means a significant drop in real earnings when compared to the rise in the true 'cost of living'.
I'd say that's a problem for anyone in a branch of government service.
I'd say that's a problem for anyone in a branch of government service.
MD
Hi MD
Just did a quick internet search and found this:
I also understand that the number of fires have decreased due to people stopping smoking (in bed used to be a real problem!) and proactive measures such as smoke alarms in the last 15 years or so. So the lower risk probably means that over time the Firefighters' Pay Review Body may well have adjusted the pay to reflect the lower level of call out and thus exposure to risk?
Here are the fire stats: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...7-hosb1317.pdf A lot less fires over 15 years and also the FRS attend more false alarms than actual fires in recent years.
Just did a quick internet search and found this:
There is a nationally-agreed salary structure for firefighters.
The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £22,017. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £29,345. Higher rates apply for overtime.
Crew manager salaries range from £31,189 (development) to £32,533 (competent). Watch manger salaries range from £33,237 to £36,381.
A station manager's earning potential is between £37,842 and £41,737 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence.
Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £44,889 and £56,124, depending on the level of competence.
The starting salary for a trainee firefighter is £22,017. When full competence is achieved, this rises to £29,345. Higher rates apply for overtime.
Crew manager salaries range from £31,189 (development) to £32,533 (competent). Watch manger salaries range from £33,237 to £36,381.
A station manager's earning potential is between £37,842 and £41,737 plus overtime rates, subject to the officer's level of competence.
Further advancement to the role of group manager and then area manager attracts salaries of between £44,889 and £56,124, depending on the level of competence.
Here are the fire stats: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...7-hosb1317.pdf A lot less fires over 15 years and also the FRS attend more false alarms than actual fires in recent years.
Hi MD
Just did a quick internet search and found this:
I also understand that the number of fires have decreased due to people stopping smoking (in bed used to be a real problem!) and proactive measures such as smoke alarms in the last 15 years or so. So the lower risk probably means that over time the Firefighters' Pay Review Body may well have adjusted the pay to reflect the lower level of call out and thus exposure to risk?
Here are the fire stats: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...7-hosb1317.pdf A lot less fires over 15 years and also the FRS attend more false alarms than actual fires in recent years.
Just did a quick internet search and found this:
I also understand that the number of fires have decreased due to people stopping smoking (in bed used to be a real problem!) and proactive measures such as smoke alarms in the last 15 years or so. So the lower risk probably means that over time the Firefighters' Pay Review Body may well have adjusted the pay to reflect the lower level of call out and thus exposure to risk?
Here are the fire stats: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...7-hosb1317.pdf A lot less fires over 15 years and also the FRS attend more false alarms than actual fires in recent years.
Aim your ire at the charlatans who say we're all in it together when clearly, we aren't. If they'd had the sense to show some restraint with their own pay, I'm not sure they'd be in the trouble they're in right now. Aim it at the kind of people who can give their wife's hairdresser a gong but can't provide support for the people who did their bidding in a pointless war.
Hi MD
I was being a bit of a scampish troll-ette in my post, but as the nature of the job changes then the remuneration package will change. I do agree that the 0% and 1% pay rises have really got to stop...especially when the MPs awarded themselves a disgraceful rise in the middle of it!! But, do I think it's all about the money? No I don't. People in HMForces are more concerned over the gradual erosion of trust and terms and conditions over the past 20 years or so. How can it be right to trust someone with a weapon system to follow orders to take a life (or lives) in accordance with orders/directives but you have to audit them to within an inch of their lives for allowance claims, leave passes, minor discipline issues, nugatory mandatory training, self-help forms with risk assesments to paint your office, etc... etc...? The money isn't too bad, it's the other stuff that is killing the public sector and why people are leaving in my humble opinion.
Apologies for the mini-troll, again
I was being a bit of a scampish troll-ette in my post, but as the nature of the job changes then the remuneration package will change. I do agree that the 0% and 1% pay rises have really got to stop...especially when the MPs awarded themselves a disgraceful rise in the middle of it!! But, do I think it's all about the money? No I don't. People in HMForces are more concerned over the gradual erosion of trust and terms and conditions over the past 20 years or so. How can it be right to trust someone with a weapon system to follow orders to take a life (or lives) in accordance with orders/directives but you have to audit them to within an inch of their lives for allowance claims, leave passes, minor discipline issues, nugatory mandatory training, self-help forms with risk assesments to paint your office, etc... etc...? The money isn't too bad, it's the other stuff that is killing the public sector and why people are leaving in my humble opinion.
Apologies for the mini-troll, again
Hi MD
I was being a bit of a scampish troll-ette in my post, but as the nature of the job changes then the remuneration package will change. I do agree that the 0% and 1% pay rises have really got to stop...especially when the MPs awarded themselves a disgraceful rise in the middle of it!! But, do I think it's all about the money? No I don't. People in HMForces are more concerned over the gradual erosion of trust and terms and conditions over the past 20 years or so. How can it be right to trust someone with a weapon system to follow orders to take a life (or lives) in accordance with orders/directives but you have to audit them to within an inch of their lives for allowance claims, leave passes, minor discipline issues, nugatory mandatory training, self-help forms with risk assesments to paint your office, etc... etc...? The money isn't too bad, it's the other stuff that is killing the public sector and why people are leaving in my humble opinion.
Apologies for the mini-troll, again
I was being a bit of a scampish troll-ette in my post, but as the nature of the job changes then the remuneration package will change. I do agree that the 0% and 1% pay rises have really got to stop...especially when the MPs awarded themselves a disgraceful rise in the middle of it!! But, do I think it's all about the money? No I don't. People in HMForces are more concerned over the gradual erosion of trust and terms and conditions over the past 20 years or so. How can it be right to trust someone with a weapon system to follow orders to take a life (or lives) in accordance with orders/directives but you have to audit them to within an inch of their lives for allowance claims, leave passes, minor discipline issues, nugatory mandatory training, self-help forms with risk assesments to paint your office, etc... etc...? The money isn't too bad, it's the other stuff that is killing the public sector and why people are leaving in my humble opinion.
Apologies for the mini-troll, again
There were some gross injustices back in the 1980s concerning paying for meals in an Officers' Mess...
Bean stealers who paid little, if anything.
The Stn Rock who ate an enormous breakfast, but paid the same as a dainty little WRAF did for her two pieces of toast.
The nonsense of 'extra messing' - if you had 3 meals in one day you paid one day's extra messing, but if you had breakfast one day, lunch on a second and dinner on a third, you paid 3 days extra messing.
'Duty meal' entitlement - very divisive that was.
Then there was the 'Admin Wing Lunch', so named because Admin Wg officers who lived out would enjoy a huge lunch at the expense of living in aircrew who weren't able to get down to the mess at lunchtime.
Pay as you dine was supposed to make things fairer for all. The simple concept being that, as in any other restaurant, you paid for what you ate. But it was hijacked by the decision to introduce contractor catering - THAT was the real nonsense. Because contractors expect to make profits, so prices went up, variety and quality went down.
Don't blame PAYD, blame the creeping cancer of contractorisation!
Bean stealers who paid little, if anything.
The Stn Rock who ate an enormous breakfast, but paid the same as a dainty little WRAF did for her two pieces of toast.
The nonsense of 'extra messing' - if you had 3 meals in one day you paid one day's extra messing, but if you had breakfast one day, lunch on a second and dinner on a third, you paid 3 days extra messing.
'Duty meal' entitlement - very divisive that was.
Then there was the 'Admin Wing Lunch', so named because Admin Wg officers who lived out would enjoy a huge lunch at the expense of living in aircrew who weren't able to get down to the mess at lunchtime.
Pay as you dine was supposed to make things fairer for all. The simple concept being that, as in any other restaurant, you paid for what you ate. But it was hijacked by the decision to introduce contractor catering - THAT was the real nonsense. Because contractors expect to make profits, so prices went up, variety and quality went down.
Don't blame PAYD, blame the creeping cancer of contractorisation!
Thread Starter
Aim your ire at the charlatans who say we're all in it together when clearly, we aren't. If they'd had the sense to show some restraint with their own pay, I'm not sure they'd be in the trouble they're in right now. Aim it at the kind of people who can give their wife's hairdresser a gong but can't provide support for the people who did their bidding in a pointless war.
Unfortunately for us all, I see little hope for our future in any of the political parties.
OAP
I am a little surprised that the UK population are unprepared for the financial reality of our future
I still think choppy waters lie ahead in coming months.
There were some gross injustices back in the 1980s concerning paying for meals in an Officers' Mess...
Bean stealers who paid little, if anything.
The Stn Rock who ate an enormous breakfast, but paid the same as a dainty little WRAF did for her two pieces of toast.
The nonsense of 'extra messing' - if you had 3 meals in one day you paid one day's extra messing, but if you had breakfast one day, lunch on a second and dinner on a third, you paid 3 days extra messing.
'Duty meal' entitlement - very divisive that was.
Then there was the 'Admin Wing Lunch', so named because Admin Wg officers who lived out would enjoy a huge lunch at the expense of living in aircrew who weren't able to get down to the mess at lunchtime.
Pay as you dine was supposed to make things fairer for all. The simple concept being that, as in any other restaurant, you paid for what you ate. But it was hijacked by the decision to introduce contractor catering - THAT was the real nonsense. Because contractors expect to make profits, so prices went up, variety and quality went down.
Don't blame PAYD, blame the creeping cancer of contractorisation!
Bean stealers who paid little, if anything.
The Stn Rock who ate an enormous breakfast, but paid the same as a dainty little WRAF did for her two pieces of toast.
The nonsense of 'extra messing' - if you had 3 meals in one day you paid one day's extra messing, but if you had breakfast one day, lunch on a second and dinner on a third, you paid 3 days extra messing.
'Duty meal' entitlement - very divisive that was.
Then there was the 'Admin Wing Lunch', so named because Admin Wg officers who lived out would enjoy a huge lunch at the expense of living in aircrew who weren't able to get down to the mess at lunchtime.
Pay as you dine was supposed to make things fairer for all. The simple concept being that, as in any other restaurant, you paid for what you ate. But it was hijacked by the decision to introduce contractor catering - THAT was the real nonsense. Because contractors expect to make profits, so prices went up, variety and quality went down.
Don't blame PAYD, blame the creeping cancer of contractorisation!
No no, that's so unfair. I am utterly convinced by the twin mantras of "We'll put the Great back into Great Britain (just don't ask how)" and "It'll be alright". Nothing to worry about, sunlit uplands ahead. Take your seats now so you get a good view of Europe disintegrating after we leave.
Naysayer, doom-monger, subversive anti-patriot - never darken our doors again you miserable self-pitying knobcheese.
Naysayer, doom-monger, subversive anti-patriot - never darken our doors again you miserable self-pitying knobcheese.
Like your style TOTD....although calling someone a "miserable self-pitying knobcheese" is perhaps a little fruity! Keep up with the pro British rhetoric.....my faith needs bolstering right now.....it's taking a battering! Oh, and which "dark satanic mills" would they be?
The government's pay policy lacks transparency and coherence. As a PC I am pleased to be offered 2% as that is much better than the 1% I had expected but the government isn't fully funding the rise as 1% has to come from police force reserves and doesn't contribute to our pensions, and the other 1% has to come from current police budgets which are not being increased enough to cover the pay rise let alone inflation. Apparently our pay board recommended 2.8% but as the report hasn't been published I can only go on hearsay, but if that is the case then the government hasn't implemented their recommendation fully.
Their general attitude to public sector pay rises doesn't bear much scrutiny either. They say they are becoming more flexible about pay to address recruitment issues but although less people are applying to the join the police, recruitment is still generally quite strong. The NHS and judging from comments on PPRuNE the military are struggling to recruit but the government isn't doing anything about their pay yet.
The real winners from the governments flexibility will be MPs as their pay rises are linked to the average rise in the public sector the the more people the government gives rises to the higher the MP's pay rise will be. They received 1.5% and 1.4% in for their last two rises on top of the one off 11% three years ago.
Their general attitude to public sector pay rises doesn't bear much scrutiny either. They say they are becoming more flexible about pay to address recruitment issues but although less people are applying to the join the police, recruitment is still generally quite strong. The NHS and judging from comments on PPRuNE the military are struggling to recruit but the government isn't doing anything about their pay yet.
The real winners from the governments flexibility will be MPs as their pay rises are linked to the average rise in the public sector the the more people the government gives rises to the higher the MP's pay rise will be. They received 1.5% and 1.4% in for their last two rises on top of the one off 11% three years ago.
Like your style TOTD....although calling someone a "miserable self-pitying knobcheese" is perhaps a little fruity! Keep up with the pro British rhetoric.....my faith needs bolstering right now.....it's taking a battering! Oh, and which "dark satanic mills" would they be?
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I still think choppy waters lie ahead in coming months.
Naysayer, doom-monger, subversive anti-patriot - never darken our doors again you miserable self-pitying knobcheese.
I still think choppy waters lie ahead in coming months.
Naysayer, doom-monger, subversive anti-patriot - never darken our doors again you miserable self-pitying knobcheese.
