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UK - More defence cuts

Old 24th Sep 2017, 21:44
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4913854/Military-assets-including-ships-dumped-knockdown-prices.html
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Which to put it in context is about 5% at best of GDP. Wonder where the other 95% comes from.
A great portion from the financial sector - there isn't a lot of manufacturing in UK that is actually owned by UK.

Why would anyone vote to reduce their GDP by 5% when the economy is already struggling?

Basil - excellent video

And, as interest rates rise, the £ may slowly drift back up.
making our exports more expensive and increasing inflation as costs of importing raw materials rise.

Hangarshuffle - I still see plenty of young people having a great time joining the military - all the BS and other issues don't matter when you are young and keen and the training and experiences given and gained are still worth the hassles.
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If the EU ensures that the North and West get some cash as well, that's fine by me!
The North East was long ago abandoned by Westminster and the EU has pretty much ignored it as well. (The French are still upset about their monkey)
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
A great portion from the financial sector - there isn't a lot of manufacturing in UK that is actually owned by UK.

Why would anyone vote to reduce their GDP by 5% when the economy is already struggling?

Basil - excellent video

making our exports more expensive and increasing inflation as costs of importing raw materials rise.

Hangarshuffle - I still see plenty of young people having a great time joining the military - all the BS and other issues don't matter when you are young and keen and the training and experiences given and gained are still worth the hassles.
This post just proves just how out of touch you are with reality, top trolling though
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Ah, another learned response without any actual counter-arguments
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Originally Posted by fltlt
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4913854/Military-assets-including-ships-dumped-knockdown-prices.html
Hadn't seen mention of retiring HMS Scott or the 32 Sqn 146s before
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 15:50
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I wouldn't necessarily describe the Wail as an authoritative source for anything other than moon-howling conspiracy theories about peoples princesses.
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Going by the article the Daily Mail's reporter would be the ideal person to sell a second hand car to. He seems to think because MoD brought a ship for £180M 20 years ago it should be getting that for it now, or indeed that 30+ year old Gazelles are worth the £5M we originally paid.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 18:07
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Never seen the Rn scales either. But would say there are 12 ff/did based in Portsmouth, including 1 harbour training ship. Of this 3 T45 I would suggest are R1/2 as are 3 T23.plymouth has 7 t23s of which one is a harbour training ship. I am guessing 3 would be available, so 9/19 certainly r3 and above
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Posted hereabouts by TOFO early in 2017...

....either way, decisions on defence spending will be non-existent at parliamentary level for the next two years plus, so just existing budget management by the MOD for the foreseeable future. It will be interesting to see how the MOD managers spin out a budget that is probably insufficient to meet their forthcoming needs...
Don't you just hate it when us forward thinkers get plagiarised

Armed forces paralysis due to Brexit, Rusi warns - BBC News
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 08:57
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And that 'policy paralysis' extends to pretty much every area - including Brexit
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 09:34
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The paralysis has little to do with Brexit and everything to do with a £20Bn black hole, a weak government that cannot tolerate bad news and an economy/public that will not support increased defence spending.

Actually, I wouldn’t support increased spending either. Give Defence another £10Bn a year and within a decade we would be back in the same situation. Bernard Gray (for all his other faults) nailed it with his 2009 report and Levine followed up with a sensible plan (stand fast his lack of delegation of infrastructure). The problem has been that Main Building have not implemented Levine properly and have been unable to stop both meddling in TLB business, nor been able to hold Chiefs’ feet to the fire when they overspend.

Give the Services their slice of the pie every 5 years, then not a penny more (or less) until the next review. Then let them get on with managing their budget - and the consequences.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 09:41
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Originally Posted by Red Line Entry
The paralysis has little to do with Brexit and everything to do with a £20Bn black hole, a weak government that cannot tolerate bad news and an economy/public that will not support increased defence spending.

Actually, I wouldn’t support increased spending either. Give Defence another £10Bn a year and within a decade we would be back in the same situation. Bernard Gray (for all his other faults) nailed it with his 2009 report and Levine followed up with a sensible plan (stand fast his lack of delegation of infrastructure). The problem has been that Main Building have not implemented Levine properly and have been unable to stop both meddling in TLB business, nor been able to hold Chiefs’ feet to the fire when they overspend.

Give the Services their slice of the pie every 5 years, then not a penny more (or less) until the next review. Then let them get on with managing their budget - and the consequences.
Ditto the NHS, but whatever the amount of waste there, the noisy left won't have it! Their only answer is tax the rich and spend more and despite Nia Griffith calling for the Armed Forces to be better funded, don't believe it, a Corbyn Government will almost certainly mean severe defence cuts possibly to the point of obliteration!

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RLE, well said.

Bernard Gray (for all his other faults)
Noting that his main suggestion was an act of plagiarism probably picked up from pprune by a lackey (TOFO, quite right!) which, when pointed out by a Minister, led to MoD flatly denying what he'd said. Pity it was still be available on the BBC website as a download.
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The paralysis has little to do with Brexit and everything to do with a £20Bn black hole, a weak government that cannot tolerate bad news and an economy/public that will not support increased defence spending.
If you meant to say...

...The paralysis, which extends to all areas of Government, is merely exacerbated by brexit, but more fundamentally stems from the increasing fragility of a weak government and fractured political party dating back to the day it took power nearly eight years ago and declining steadily ever since...

...you and I would be in complete agreement

Still life is getting entertaining again...Government wobbling, perhaps towards an election...Corbyn gets in...popcorn sales go through the roof
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 13:58
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Still life is getting entertaining again...Government wobbling, perhaps towards an election...Corbyn gets in...popcorn sales go through the roof
Will it be okay to spend my Jobseekers' Allowance on popcorn?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 15:22
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Will it be okay to spend my Jobseekers' Allowance on popcorn?
Under Corbyn, your jobseekers allowance should cover a new Merc...well at least for the first few months
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Why do we need a high readiness amphibious capability to support our world class MOD bureaucracy and the Red Arrows?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 19:41
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I hate to say it but, if we are heading for real cuts, RAFAT can’t be spared. The whole UK PLC thing is a load of tosh and frankly, I don’t think they contribute towards recruitment any more than a poster at a bus stop when you consider that the air show circuit is dying.
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Originally Posted by Pure Pursuit
I hate to say it but, if we are heading for real cuts, RAFAT can’t be spared. The whole UK PLC thing is a load of tosh and frankly, I don’t think they contribute towards recruitment any more than a poster at a bus stop when you consider that the air show circuit is dying.
I'm not so sure. Politically very difficult as they are so popular. I do wonder how BBMF survive. Could they not be civilianised, given charitable status and moved to Duxford? Something along the Canadian model?
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