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Old 31st May 2022, 14:40
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Probably a daft question but is the canopy missing at about 2:30? If so why?
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Old 31st May 2022, 15:17
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Originally Posted by VictorGolf View Post
Probably a daft question but is the canopy missing at about 2:30? If so why?
Yes. I can't remember, been years since I watched it. Probably fed up with his nav giving him duff gen and shit chat.
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Old 31st May 2022, 15:28
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Originally Posted by VictorGolf View Post
Probably a daft question but is the canopy missing at about 2:30? If so why?
Yes, but remember it's a movie

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Old 1st Jun 2022, 07:35
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Movie top gun pilots not wearing mask?

As a private pilot flying a bug-smasher that's lucky to top 95 knots, I know zip about military aviation. But when I see Hollywood movie pilots like Tom Cruise unclipping their oxygen mask so they can speak, that seems like BS. Am I right?
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 08:20
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If the cockpit altitude is at a safe level, unclipping the mask is certainly possible and more comfortable. That's just the theoretical view though.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 08:32
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Actors need to show their face when acting. This is why oxygen masks are not worn in most movies.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 09:50
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Cooperplace

I regularly remove my mask below 10000’ cabin altitude for comfort during low workload moments. I always keep it on at low level for face protection in case of a bird strike and for take off and landing in case I need to take control.

You wouldn’t take the mask off to talk. Quite the opposite in fact. You need it on to talk into the microphone. Fast jet cockpits are often bloody noisy and trying to talk with your mask off would be unintelligible even if the microphone could even register your voice.

You will also notice in the movie that they always use clear visors (except the faceless bad guys) to show us their handsome/pretty faces. The only time I use a clear visor is at night or on an exceptionally dark, cloudy day. Opinions vary on visor use but the dark visor has seen me safely through 4000 hours of flying jets so I’ll stick with it.

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Old 1st Jun 2022, 10:09
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Leaving the mask on is very useful when you want to say something that sounds like “A gottle of geer”.



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Old 1st Jun 2022, 10:40
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As BV posted - I did do a fair bit of backseating whilst groundcrew and would never have gone flying without mask and visor in place,much safer if you get a birdstrike/canopy or seal failure/or have to eject (both for the actual ejection and protection against MDC/canopy shard 'splatter').
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 10:44
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And speaking as a long-time passenger of oil-field helicopters I can say it's perfectly simple to have a normal conversation between yourselves with no ear defenders necessary at all (copyright all movies)
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 11:08
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It was rumored the loss of an F18 quite a few years ago in Australia's North was due to the pilot taking off his mask
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 11:52
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Many years ago when Top Gun was made it was quite normal in the US Navy for Fast Jet pilots and RIOs to fly with their mask down a lot of the time.

Apparently their Regulators put them on 100% Oxygen and it was unpopular as it dried out their throats over a prolonged time. Any Comments?

From my own experience in the USAF, when flying with certain Ex Viet Nam aviators, they had to have the mask hanging down to be able to smoke their cigar.

There were some who had ash trays that attached to the cockpit so the evidence could be easily removed after flight.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 12:46
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Thank you, like I said i have the world's most restricted pilot's licence. This is all very interesting and confirms my view of Hollywood. I would have asked my cousin who flew WW2 Typhoons, they were on oxygen from start to finish, CO issues, but alas he moved on to a better place. He mentioned filling a tank with beer and flying with it to occupied France "it didn't taste quite right but by god everyone was pleased to have the beer".
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 13:00
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Originally Posted by cooperplace View Post
Thank you, like I said i have the world's most restricted pilot's licence. This is all very interesting and confirms my view of Hollywood. I would have asked my cousin who flew WW2 Typhoons, they were on oxygen from start to finish, CO issues, but alas he moved on to a better place. He mentioned filling a tank with beer and flying with it to occupied France "it didn't taste quite right but by god everyone was pleased to have the beer".

There's an article on this here:

https://zythophile.co.uk/2014/06/06/...20more%20beer.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 14:02
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I've only watched trailers on 'JAG' and it's the same there; not only does the mask dangle continually but they act as if they're speaking into it.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 14:18
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As Longeron stated, I have flown in 3 ejection seat armed aircraft flights and the double visor stayed down and mask stayed on all the time as I was a cat B pax, bar one time on my last Jag flight, the dark visor came up for the selfie to prove I was in the seat! I know certain Jag pilots did remove masks for comfort (amazingly one civvy LAE said to me "I thought military combat aircraft were unpressurised?" which I replied that they are, just not to the pressure diff of civil aircraft) at suitable cabin diffs and the odd cool photo, if you were T E with demon gezzer shades on.!
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 14:22
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In my days on fast jets…..you never flew with your mask down! Only actors do it so you can see their lips moving!
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 14:36
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans View Post
thanks, that's terrific. He was in 181 squadron and I gather the beer thing was a fairly widespread practice at the time.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 14:42
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Originally Posted by Dominator2 View Post

From my own experience in the USAF, when flying with certain Ex Viet Nam aviators, they had to have the mask hanging down to be able to smoke their cigar.

There were some who had ash trays that attached to the cockpit so the evidence could be easily removed after flight.
100% oxygen and naked flames - what could possibly go wrong!
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Timelord View Post
100% oxygen and naked flames - what could possibly go wrong!

It ok in a chipmunk.

Hard to roll without an autopilot, though.
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