Saudi Arabia vs Iran
how are the Turks going to get their troops to Qatar?
Qatar AF 'll give em a ride on their 8 C-17s into Al Udeid or Doha AFB
That way they'll be mostly outta'da'way in case anybody's shock and awe arrives.
PS - Free one way rides outta town on the outbound leg.
PPS - How does 'your' man handle being on both sides at the same time ?
Confusing innit ? .............. LFH
I fully expect Saudi's to attack, I also would expect Oman not to sit on sidelines and allow Saudi's free reign.
Interesting insights on the true levels of ability within the Saudi military from previous posters.
Given the kit they've got, the money they have and the support from the UK and US, I'd always assumed if it came to a war with Iran, the Saudis would crush the Iranians.
But then - reminded of the old stories of the Saudi fast-jet pilots who were too scared to fly their Lightnings...
So - if a shooting war broke out - God forbid - and the Saudis really were pushed back into an extreme corner by Iran - don't they have certain understandings with Pakistan to get their hands on certain ultimate pieces of military kit?
Even given the supposedly neutral to warm relationship on the surface between Pakistan and Iran.
The darkest conspiracists might even suggest that those pieces of kit may be in Saudi already?
Given the kit they've got, the money they have and the support from the UK and US, I'd always assumed if it came to a war with Iran, the Saudis would crush the Iranians.
But then - reminded of the old stories of the Saudi fast-jet pilots who were too scared to fly their Lightnings...
So - if a shooting war broke out - God forbid - and the Saudis really were pushed back into an extreme corner by Iran - don't they have certain understandings with Pakistan to get their hands on certain ultimate pieces of military kit?
Even given the supposedly neutral to warm relationship on the surface between Pakistan and Iran.
The darkest conspiracists might even suggest that those pieces of kit may be in Saudi already?
The Saudi helicopter war will last for about 23 minutes - 20 min to remember how to start the engine without their expat instructor prompting, then about 3 minutes to crash them.
Capt. Ayed Al-Shamrani did pretty well in GW 1 ('The Honest Gulf War'). Flying an F-15C he took out 2 x Iraqi F-1s in 30 sec....
Rumour had it that he wasn't given much publicity in Saudi Arabia though, as he wasn't some Saudi Royal Family princeling
. Just a line fighter pilot doing as he was trained and doing it well!
Rumour had it that he wasn't given much publicity in Saudi Arabia though, as he wasn't some Saudi Royal Family princeling
. Just a line fighter pilot doing as he was trained and doing it well!
Caz, an old lawyer friend of mine advises "don't ask a question you don't already have an answer to." I asked in part to smoke out the hand waivers and assumers. I've already looked at the map and saw a number of obstacles to easy movement of military personnel by air through airspace of other countries.
Why do you assume that Iran will give the green light to Turkey to move Turkish troops through their airspace to do this?
Have they done so in the past?
Iran has skin in this game: do they want the Turks to upstage them?
I don't make the assumption that there is an easy button in Ankara to push and off they go.
Perhaps the political arrangements are in place, perhaps not.
Part of what I am asking is about the unknown: is that political accord in place between Iran and Turkey, or not? I don't know, so now ask that explicitly. Do you know, or are you guessing?
Why do you assume that Iran will give the green light to Turkey to move Turkish troops through their airspace to do this?
Have they done so in the past?
Iran has skin in this game: do they want the Turks to upstage them?
I don't make the assumption that there is an easy button in Ankara to push and off they go.
Perhaps the political arrangements are in place, perhaps not.
Part of what I am asking is about the unknown: is that political accord in place between Iran and Turkey, or not? I don't know, so now ask that explicitly. Do you know, or are you guessing?
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Iran has rather few friends in the GCC right now. Qatar is prettty much it.
If Turkey wants to help Qatar to fend off Saudi aggression, then Iran will quite certainly allow Turkish non-strike military aircraft free pratique to overfly Iranian airspace to access Qatari airspace.
Bahrain's nominal control of some Qatari airspace through the Bahrain FIR is not being abused by Bahrain and is most unlikely to be so.
Quite apart from anything else, it would be a trivially simple matter for Turkey to charter some civil aircraft to fly military men and materiel through Iranian airspace. No questions asked; no lies told. That sort of thing has been done before, y'know.
If Turkey wants to help Qatar to fend off Saudi aggression, then Iran will quite certainly allow Turkish non-strike military aircraft free pratique to overfly Iranian airspace to access Qatari airspace.
Bahrain's nominal control of some Qatari airspace through the Bahrain FIR is not being abused by Bahrain and is most unlikely to be so.
Quite apart from anything else, it would be a trivially simple matter for Turkey to charter some civil aircraft to fly military men and materiel through Iranian airspace. No questions asked; no lies told. That sort of thing has been done before, y'know.
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Flying bodies down the Gulf is one thing but how do they bring all the heavy kit in and re-supply it?
Iran has already said that they'll make Bandar Abbas, Bushir and Lengeh available as ports of transfer to Qatar. Heavy trucks can transport large cargoes from the Turkish border to those three ports. It's really not difficult at all.
Turkey has already a military base in Qatar for the last couple of years............. only house 150 at the moment.
As for Iran's GCC friends Oman is a good friend at the moment and given Saudi destabilising of Yemen they P****d off at KSA.
As for Iran's GCC friends Oman is a good friend at the moment and given Saudi destabilising of Yemen they P****d off at KSA.
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And the escalation goes on. How long before they fire them at each other, and not their surrogates? And who will take the chance on what the warhead contains?
Alert 5 » Iran fired ballistic missiles at ISIL targets in Syria - Military Aviation News
It was reported that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps has fired a number of ballistic missiles into Syria, targeting ISIL forces in the Deir Ezzor region in Eastern Syria.
Iran said the missile strikes were in retaliation for two attacks in Tehran on Jun. 7th. The missiles used in the attack have been identified as Zolfaqar solid-fueled missile with a range of 750km.
Alert 5 » Iran fired ballistic missiles at ISIL targets in Syria - Military Aviation News
It was reported that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps has fired a number of ballistic missiles into Syria, targeting ISIL forces in the Deir Ezzor region in Eastern Syria.
Iran said the missile strikes were in retaliation for two attacks in Tehran on Jun. 7th. The missiles used in the attack have been identified as Zolfaqar solid-fueled missile with a range of 750km.
And the escalation goes on. How long before they fire them at each other, and not their surrogates? And who will take the chance on what the warhead contains?
Alert 5 » Iran fired ballistic missiles at ISIL targets in Syria - Military Aviation News
It was reported that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps has fired a number of ballistic missiles into Syria, targeting ISIL forces in the Deir Ezzor region in Eastern Syria.
Iran said the missile strikes were in retaliation for two attacks in Tehran on Jun. 7th. The missiles used in the attack have been identified as Zolfaqar solid-fueled missile with a range of 750km.
Alert 5 » Iran fired ballistic missiles at ISIL targets in Syria - Military Aviation News
It was reported that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps has fired a number of ballistic missiles into Syria, targeting ISIL forces in the Deir Ezzor region in Eastern Syria.
Iran said the missile strikes were in retaliation for two attacks in Tehran on Jun. 7th. The missiles used in the attack have been identified as Zolfaqar solid-fueled missile with a range of 750km.
Yeah, and when combined with the recent F-18 shoot down of a Su-22, adds yet another factor in "there's all kinds of incoming in this area, please bring a helmet" added to daily life in northern and eastern Syria.
Interesting times, and getting more dangerous by the day.
Interesting times, and getting more dangerous by the day.
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It was reported that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps has fired a number of ballistic missiles into Syria, targeting ISIL forces in the Deir Ezzor region in Eastern Syria.
Of 59 US cruise missiles supposedly fired at a Syrian airbase only 23 landed within the perimeter of the airfield. Nobody seems to know where the other 36 fell. I doubt that the Iranian score would have been as good as that.
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Of 59 US cruise missiles supposedly fired at a Syrian airbase only 23 landed within the perimeter of the airfield. Nobody seems to know where the other 36 fell. I doubt that the Iranian score would have been as good as that.
*One failed on launch and a replacement was fired.
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Anybody know if any of those missiles landed anywhere near the proposed target?
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If properly maintained and operated, those latest Shahab type missiles have a not bad accuracy. At least good enough to be used against camps of "bad guys".
In case of interest you may read the following articles:
Iran launches missile strike into Syria in response to Tehran attacks | The Times of Israel
Iran Launched A Salvo of Ballistic Missiles at ISIS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahab-3