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Old 15th May 2017, 23:40
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Similar thing on my squadron in the 70s - I think there were no more than four or five former public schoolboys out of 50 plus aircrew (one of whom is one of our contributors).

Mind you, not for nothing were we known as tanker trash
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Old 16th May 2017, 11:56
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Some throaty roars came from Frank's brick shed at lutterworth in the 50's, I once saw a Lancaster take of with its 4 Merlins and a pipe protruding from where the rear turret was. It made rapid climb.
4 Bristol Hercules and a pipe. 'Twas a Mk.II.
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Old 16th May 2017, 12:13
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Nobody could accuse all the parties of holding the same positions on defence. Labour's election campaign chief Andrew Murray, a fully paid-up Communist until 5 months ago, reveres Stalin, has praised and expressed solidarity with North Korea and delighted in "the swift and stunning military triumph of ISIL fighters", or Ms Abbot who as well as not being great with numbers, campaigned to disband MI5 and Special Branch at the height of the Troubles. At least we know!
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Old 16th May 2017, 20:28
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Got the Labour Manifesto tonight downloaded. Defence is down on page 120 and to be honest I think its pretty reasonable on defence.

Labour Manifesto

Funnily enough I cant see anything about ******* off the Public Schoolboys for more plebs and proles (which is a pity, it reduces the class war pitch of the manifesto) but there's much more about retention, why so many are leaving generally.
Yea maybe I was a bit hard on the Public Schoolboys, not all are bad I admit it. In retrospect, in these days if you've had the privilege of a public school education (and all that that buys in with the network) and you volunteer for the military, you aint right in the head anyway

*1 minute on the internet shows me the head of the navy and the head of the army both attended public schools. Maybe the nets wrong? No idea about the crab, me suppers burning I've got to go . What percentage of the UK working population went to public school anybody?

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Old 17th May 2017, 08:58
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Current CAS was educated at Kilmarnock Academy, a state secondary, the last public school CAS was Jock Stirrup. Of the last 11 CASs going back to Michael Beetham 4 were ex-public school.

Proportion of public school educated children is 7% in the UK.

Percentage of socialists with chips on their shoulders I have been unable to quantify but I believe it's much higher.
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Old 17th May 2017, 09:59
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Unless things have changed drastically since I retired, a significant number of children from service families also go to Public Schools. And they are not all the children of officers. Are they also to be despised in the pursuit of a fairer Britain?

It really is time to get away from this politics of envy and start behaving like grown-ups.

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Old 17th May 2017, 12:14
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Originally Posted by Hangarshuffle
Got the Labour Manifesto tonight downloaded. Defence is down on page 120 and to be honest I think its pretty reasonable on defence.

Labour Manifesto

Funnily enough I cant see anything about ******* off the Public Schoolboys for more plebs and proles (which is a pity, it reduces the class war pitch of the manifesto) but there's much more about retention, why so many are leaving generally.
Yea maybe I was a bit hard on the Public Schoolboys, not all are bad I admit it. In retrospect, in these days if you've had the privilege of a public school education (and all that that buys in with the network) and you volunteer for the military, you aint right in the head anyway

*1 minute on the internet shows me the head of the navy and the head of the army both attended public schools. Maybe the nets wrong? No idea about the crab, me suppers burning I've got to go . What percentage of the UK working population went to public school anybody?

It is quite reasonable position to take, the thin ice would be the SDSR which everything will get poured into should the election go to the Labour Party. There has always been the Marxist and centrist elements, the Defence manifesto remains as it was under Ed Millibnd. However, that it has not changed radically is because Corbyn's probably understands that now is not the time. Once in office and through the review, that is when the sharp knives will come out. Just an observation!

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Old 17th May 2017, 12:52
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To add to KWs comments, both my children went to fee paying schools, not because I wanted to send them, or because the RAF helped pay, but because we moved 5 times during their secondary schooling. It broke our hearts to part, but it was a necessary evil. No kids can cope with this sort of turbulence without a major effect on their education and future.
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Old 17th May 2017, 16:36
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And while all Public Schools are fee-paying (generally), one would not say that all fee-paying schools/Boarding Schools were Public Schools.

Son-and-heir and Snr Daughter boarded at a State School for a couple years while Milady and self were away. Continuity of education you see.......

But I'm just a grammar school oik, so what do I know...........
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Old 17th May 2017, 17:27
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teeteringhead is right, I spent nine years at a Boarding School, whose Headmaster would have been sent round to the Servants' Entrance had he dared to appear at the Headmasters' Conference.

But they taught me well, and turned a mummy's boy into a capable young man. After that, the RAF was "a piece of cake !"

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Old 17th May 2017, 19:05
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Liberals up next.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...pdf?1495011039

Possibly the longest linky ever-this is the Liberal Party manifest.
Page 84 for defence.
In a nutshell-
3 three new nuclear bombers instead of 4 four. Downgrade their state of readiness.
10k golden hellos for new joiners (only engineers officers though).
2% UK GDP spend on defence.
Standup to Russia over Ukraine (and launch wave after wave of Typhoon fighter bombers in suicide missions at Moscow from Poland if it gets tasty).
Cancel arms trade with Saudi because of Yemen. (Get in)!

The top crab went to Kilmarnock Academy and not a private school then - good man and good for him.
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Old 17th May 2017, 20:18
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Probably not his choice but that of his parents.

I don't see that his school background is relevant or a cause for celebration. He achieved his position as 'Chief of the Air Staff' (rather than the patronising & frankly rather insulting 'top crab') through his ability, had he happened to have reached the top job via an independent school on the back of the same said ability I don't think would be justification to condemn him - or though no doubt you do.

There are good and bad state schools but would you condemn someone who happened to go to the former? Is it only admirable to achieve success on the basis of maximum hardship & deprivation?

A good school, whether state or independent, can only do so much with the material presented, the individual needs the innate ability to have a chance of success. It's not simply a matter of purchasing a path to the top.

As many of the previous posters have said a great many parents are looking for a stable education for their offspring which would be impossible via the state system (although there are a few state boarding schools) rather than just inserting their progeny into the first rung of the old boy network.
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Originally Posted by Hangarshuffle
http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...pdf?1495011039
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(and launch wave after wave of Typhoon fighter bombers in suicide missions at Moscow from Poland if it gets tasty).
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The writer of such statements should obviously stop smoking too hard stuff...
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Old 18th May 2017, 13:52
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I would like to second Avitor's assessment, sorry Beagle, but you can't expect a manifesto which scratches everyone's itch. What a lovely expression! however, I think the Lib Dems would now make a more realistic HM's loyal opposition than the Marxist Students' sit in party.

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Old 18th May 2017, 14:33
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If the Lib Dems do win, can we have another general election this year in case we change our mind?
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Old 18th May 2017, 14:56
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Hmm, Oh dear!

I was going to Vote Conservative until todays manifesto. Now I'm not so sure. The proposed changes to Social Care do not sit well with me. I think the grey vote may well be lost across the country. It only raises £1.3 Billion, yet risks losing many votes to bonkers Labour!

I tried to download the manifesto, but it won't display properly on an iPad.. Another own goal!

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Old 18th May 2017, 15:30
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Sorry
Zelda and her death tax whereby having over £100000 in assets including your house at death means any social care you need to start stumping up for......


That would be the same social care you paid for throughout your working lives would it?

I'm impressed - they can say anything and you'll keep putting the boot into Corbyn.
May and the TerrorHawks have done so well recently in running this nation that she decided to go back on her word again to bring a snap election on..

While I am here, legalising Cannibis will do a great deal of good. It has great medical potential and is far less damaging than alcohol in both direct and indirect costs and a well organised taxation scheme would mean a significant upswell in tax coffers.

But that's just the weed talking isn't it
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Old 18th May 2017, 16:59
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As I understand the current rules the threshold is £23250 so surely "Zelda" has improved your lot.

capital is the phrase used to describe the total amount of your savings, any property you own and any shares you might have. It does NOT include your pension and benefits you might be getting

Over £23,250..You must pay full fees (self-funding) [Snipped from the table below the quote above]
Paying for permanent residential care | Care homes | Age UK
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Old 18th May 2017, 17:19
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Wrathmonk,

That is only true if you go into a Care Home. However, many elderly folk are cared for in their own homes. This new Death Tax for those suffering from dementia will now have to pay from not only their savings, but also now include their house equity down to their last 100K. So, someone with early onset dementia could end up paying hundreds of thousands for this care in their own homes.

Whereas, someone living in a council house would have their care paid for them. It does seem rather unfair. It would be better to add the cost to National Insurance

I may have to do the unthinkable.. Vote Labour for the first time in my life!

It would appear that all Politicians have gone bonkers..
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Old 18th May 2017, 23:21
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The way I undertsand it, even if Mrs TTN and I both require home care paid for by the state, the bill can be deferred until we both snuff it. The state then steps in and claims the balance from the proceeds of our house sale, leaving £100k to be divvied up between our kids (3 in our case). That's more than either of us inherited from our parents, so I'm sure they'll survive. People will say that they should have the right to leave all their money to their children if they want, and of course nobody is taking that right away - just pay for your own care in old age and the state wont touch your money. But don't expect to have your cake and eat it.
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