ANZAC Day 2017
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Hey, ANZACs, don't go all moist on us. You know we care, even if you can be an irritating bunch at times 
Hugs, eh?
Hugs, eh?
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Leading the Sydney 2017 March is Fred Lane - the original SINBAD - I purloined his callsign for a time but gave it back when he returned to NAS Nowra in early 1970s. Fred was a Subbie on Sea Furies of 805 in Korean War, then CO of 805 Sea Venoms embarked and the first CO of embarked VF-805 with A4G Skyhawks 1969.
Keen eyes will spot a former No.68 Pilot Course Member in the front row (mit glasses - not bald):
Go Here for the Beer: http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...h-reunion.html
No.68 Pilot Course: http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ml#post9616003
http://www.pprune.org/9616003-post20.html
https://www.faaaa.asn.au/anzac-day-2017-photographs/
https://www.faaaa.asn.au/wp-content/...IMG_0486_s.jpg
Keen eyes will spot a former No.68 Pilot Course Member in the front row (mit glasses - not bald):
Go Here for the Beer: http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...h-reunion.html
No.68 Pilot Course: http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ml#post9616003
http://www.pprune.org/9616003-post20.html
https://www.faaaa.asn.au/anzac-day-2017-photographs/
https://www.faaaa.asn.au/wp-content/...IMG_0486_s.jpg
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Sydney Anzac March 2017 on ABC TV with MELBOURNE & RAN FAA contingent starting at one hour 42 minutes 45 seconds from the start. March order rearranged recently. RAN medicos seen a few seconds earlier with one serving aircrew at least. In my day we had a few 'flying doctors' with one on jets and the other on helos. Other capital city marches at second URL: this first URL may require going back a minute or so....
Anzac Day March Sydney : ABC iview
Scroll down to see other capital city marches 2017.
Anzac Day March Sydney : ABC iview
Scroll down to see other capital city marches 2017.
Sir Keith Park, commander of 11 group during the BoB was a RFC pilot/ ace in WW1. A Kiwi...
Two footnotes if I may.
Every Armistice/Remembrance Sunday my wife and I wear our lovely silk [?] Australian poppies, purchased on our first of many holidays down under.
T'other is to remark that many [most?] Australian township memorials have complete lists of those who served, with the fatalities distinguished by a small + symbol. This I like, and we would have done well to do the same. As it is, my grandfather's, my father's, and two uncles' service in the wars is uncommemorated anywhere. Yes they survived, but years were stolen from their young lives, and they came home changed men.
Every Armistice/Remembrance Sunday my wife and I wear our lovely silk [?] Australian poppies, purchased on our first of many holidays down under.
T'other is to remark that many [most?] Australian township memorials have complete lists of those who served, with the fatalities distinguished by a small + symbol. This I like, and we would have done well to do the same. As it is, my grandfather's, my father's, and two uncles' service in the wars is uncommemorated anywhere. Yes they survived, but years were stolen from their young lives, and they came home changed men.
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Two footnotes if I may.
T'other is to remark that many [most?] Australian township memorials have complete lists of those who served, with the fatalities distinguished by a small + symbol. This I like, and we would have done well to do the same. As it is, my grandfather's, my father's, and two uncles' service in the wars is uncommemorated anywhere. Yes they survived, but years were stolen from their young lives, and they came home changed men.
T'other is to remark that many [most?] Australian township memorials have complete lists of those who served, with the fatalities distinguished by a small + symbol. This I like, and we would have done well to do the same. As it is, my grandfather's, my father's, and two uncles' service in the wars is uncommemorated anywhere. Yes they survived, but years were stolen from their young lives, and they came home changed men.
I have found some memorials in village churches do list the names of all those who served from the village or there is a seperate memorial scroll but these seem to be the exceptions.
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Not true - for almost 100 years the Turks have been careful to honour ALL the dead
I know many ANZACS who have been there and they have all been unanimous as to the respectful welcome they have had
As ever it's a designing politician desperate to scrape a few more votes
I know many ANZACS who have been there and they have all been unanimous as to the respectful welcome they have had
As ever it's a designing politician desperate to scrape a few more votes
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Not true - for almost 100 years the Turks have been careful to honour ALL the dead
I know many ANZACS who have been there and they have all been unanimous as to the respectful welcome they have had
As ever it's a designing politician desperate to scrape a few more votes
I know many ANZACS who have been there and they have all been unanimous as to the respectful welcome they have had
As ever it's a designing politician desperate to scrape a few more votes
On the other hand:
It seems as though this may be a bit of a knee jerk reaction ...
Williams Sellars, an Australian writer based on Gallipoli peninsula for 15 years, is adamant there is no ill-intent by Turkish state agencies.
"The stone cladding has been removed and will be replaced in the exact same form as the original," he predicted.
The memorials were erected in the 1980s and had been worn over years, he said, with the same wording falling off and stones becoming discoloured.
There was a notification of the restoration project on the Turkish Culture Ministry's website that included photos of work being undertake and there was no indication the words wouldn't be replaced.
A statement released by Turkish authorities on Friday night said work on 15 sites at Gallipoli is under way.
It said the renovations were being carried out due to to wear on the stone, to the point where some of the wording was falling off and endangering the public.
"With regards to these monuments history is not being destroyed or rewritten and Ataturk's words will not be lost," it read.
A Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade spokesperson said the restoration work was routine maintenance work due to be completed in time for Anzac Day commemorations in 2018. "New Zealand and Turkey have a warm relationship based on our historical links to Gallipoli and we value the cooperation we have with Turkey, including at Anzac Day events."
"The stone cladding has been removed and will be replaced in the exact same form as the original," he predicted.
The memorials were erected in the 1980s and had been worn over years, he said, with the same wording falling off and stones becoming discoloured.
There was a notification of the restoration project on the Turkish Culture Ministry's website that included photos of work being undertake and there was no indication the words wouldn't be replaced.
A statement released by Turkish authorities on Friday night said work on 15 sites at Gallipoli is under way.
It said the renovations were being carried out due to to wear on the stone, to the point where some of the wording was falling off and endangering the public.
"With regards to these monuments history is not being destroyed or rewritten and Ataturk's words will not be lost," it read.
A Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade spokesperson said the restoration work was routine maintenance work due to be completed in time for Anzac Day commemorations in 2018. "New Zealand and Turkey have a warm relationship based on our historical links to Gallipoli and we value the cooperation we have with Turkey, including at Anzac Day events."
And lets remember the 20,000 British and other Imperial Troops who died there, along with 15,000 French personnel - mainly colonials.
As a Kiwi I am enormously proud if the ANZAC contribution to the Dardanelles Adventure, but this Austral nationalism often ignores the contributions and losses incurred by the Allies during the campaign.
As a Kiwi I am enormously proud if the ANZAC contribution to the Dardanelles Adventure, but this Austral nationalism often ignores the contributions and losses incurred by the Allies during the campaign.
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And lets remember the 20,000 British and other Imperial Troops who died there, along with 15,000 French personnel - mainly colonials.
As a Kiwi I am enormously proud if the ANZAC contribution to the Dardanelles Adventure, but this Austral nationalism often ignores the contributions and losses incurred by the Allies during the campaign.
As a Kiwi I am enormously proud if the ANZAC contribution to the Dardanelles Adventure, but this Austral nationalism often ignores the contributions and losses incurred by the Allies during the campaign.
To also be fair, not much mention of Indian troops service on Western Front, nor the French.
And lets remember the 20,000 British and other Imperial Troops who died there
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By all means remember all the fallen but... are we referring to ANZAC DAY? "ANZAC is the acronym formed from the initial letters of the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps. This was the formation in which Australian and New Zealand soldiers in Egypt were grouped before the landing on Gallipoli in April 1915." Some here can start 'another day'?
As a Kiwi I am enormously proud if the ANZAC contribution to the Dardanelles Adventure, but this Austral nationalism often ignores the contributions and losses incurred by the Allies during the campaign.
Nothing to stop the other involved holding ceremonies. ANZAC Day commemorated the efforts of our boys in the same way that most nations hold their own veterans dayss.
The problem is - and I have toured the peninsular 4 times and attended 3 annual commemorations there - is that many Australians (and to a lesser extent, Kiwis) are unaware that tens of thousands of comrades from the rest of the Empire and France died during the same landings just down the road from Ari Burnu and up the road at Suvla Bay, 4 months later. It has been a nationalist narrative to portray this disaster as a purely Australian event. But how many of your are aware of the epic naval battle only 2 months earlier that resulted in the landings? Oh, and for those who attend the Lone Pine Memorial, recall that it is a Commonwealth and Ireland memorial, and not just Australian (that led to some issues a couple of years ago when non-Australians were denied access...).
On the more recent matter about the alleged vandalism of the memorial panels around the peninsular, the Ministry of Tourism and Culture have confirmed that they are being refurbished, but in typical Turkish fashion, didn't let anyone know. Immune to the PR gene, they are...
On the more recent matter about the alleged vandalism of the memorial panels around the peninsular, the Ministry of Tourism and Culture have confirmed that they are being refurbished, but in typical Turkish fashion, didn't let anyone know. Immune to the PR gene, they are...
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'TBM-Leg End' has the nod. I'll guess our ANZAC DAY is equivalent to USofA Veterans Day, while Oz has other days for Vietnam Vets - Battle of Long Tan and others. However ANZAC DAY is the big one here. Would youse believe we have Kiwis and Turks - as well as POMS - even CRABS! 
in our Oz Anzac Day MARCH? [NOT Parade] Have not been to one for ages but likely all the others mentioned are in the march also. Was not like that during the Vietnam War years but that is ANOTHER STORY. Have a gander at this:
Australia has a successful multi-cultural society bolstered by all those 10 pound POMs back in the 1960s. Here is a Turkish View of ANZAC DAY:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...ians-anzac-day
in our Oz Anzac Day MARCH? [NOT Parade] Have not been to one for ages but likely all the others mentioned are in the march also. Was not like that during the Vietnam War years but that is ANOTHER STORY. Have a gander at this:
"...ORDER OF MARCH http://rslnsw.org.au/commemoration/anzac/
The Order of March will be: WWII Navy/WWII Army/ WWII Air Force-Navy/ Army/Air Force-Civilians in support of Australian Troops-Descendants of Australian Veterans-Commonwealth Troops-Allies...."
The Order of March will be: WWII Navy/WWII Army/ WWII Air Force-Navy/ Army/Air Force-Civilians in support of Australian Troops-Descendants of Australian Veterans-Commonwealth Troops-Allies...."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...ians-anzac-day
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All too often the sacrifice of so many men from all over the Empire has been forgotten, in particular the Indian contribution.
In WW1, after the initial fighting, troops were urgently needed to reinforce the badly depleted British army. The first to arrive were 4 Indian divisions which landed in Marseille in September and October 1914 and were immediately sent to northern France and Belgium. In fact, in the autumn of 1914, nearly one-third of the British forces on the Western Front were from India.
Despite being unused to trench warfare in the cold wet conditions of northern France and Belgium, they fought valiantly in October at the First Battle of Ypres, and during the winter at Neuve Chapelle and Festubert to the north-east of Bethune. In April/May 1915, they fought alongside the French, British and Canadians in the Second Battle of Ypres after the first gas attack and continued to hold the line north of Lens throughout 1915, fighting again at Neuve Chapelle and Festubert before being transferred to Egypt and Mesopotamia where the conditions suited them better and the supply lines from India were shorter. And two divisions of Indian Cavalry remained on the Western Front until March 1918, fighting in the Battle of the Somme and at Passchendaele.
Overall, around 800,000 Indian troops fought in all theatres of the war, including some 130,000 on the Western Front, of whom 8,557 were killed in action.
In WW1, after the initial fighting, troops were urgently needed to reinforce the badly depleted British army. The first to arrive were 4 Indian divisions which landed in Marseille in September and October 1914 and were immediately sent to northern France and Belgium. In fact, in the autumn of 1914, nearly one-third of the British forces on the Western Front were from India.
Despite being unused to trench warfare in the cold wet conditions of northern France and Belgium, they fought valiantly in October at the First Battle of Ypres, and during the winter at Neuve Chapelle and Festubert to the north-east of Bethune. In April/May 1915, they fought alongside the French, British and Canadians in the Second Battle of Ypres after the first gas attack and continued to hold the line north of Lens throughout 1915, fighting again at Neuve Chapelle and Festubert before being transferred to Egypt and Mesopotamia where the conditions suited them better and the supply lines from India were shorter. And two divisions of Indian Cavalry remained on the Western Front until March 1918, fighting in the Battle of the Somme and at Passchendaele.
Overall, around 800,000 Indian troops fought in all theatres of the war, including some 130,000 on the Western Front, of whom 8,557 were killed in action.
