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Old 4th Mar 2017, 13:26
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At least, by all accounts, he has actually qualified to wear those wings.

As for the rest?
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This comes as no surprise. What do you expect to happen when illustrious bodies dish out rewards for lying, whilst hard work and effort is ignored?
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I'm hoping to get my new astronaut wings any day now....

Either that or my wife might....most days we're a different planet.
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Rumours are that he is linked to some of the guys that flew the Hunter at North Weald. He was also doing FISO at the airfield as I understand without a licence. He must have been known to the Hunter and Gnat chief pilot as they would have been in the VGS organisation at the same time. Links to the Hunter accident at Shoreham and the Gnat at Car Fest. Just sayin'...

North Weald pilot who flew illegally for six years spared jail | Essex Live

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Hmmmm, MRAeS without also being EngTech, IEng or CEng. You dont see that very often ...
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
At least, by all accounts, he has actually qualified to wear those wings.

As for the rest?
Well he should have been showing 'VRT' on his rank slides.

I met many 'walter' types when I was a VR(T) Officer. They bought themselves No 5s and attended mess functions as if they were 'regulars' and at things like airshows, would sometimes appear in their No 1 apparently having 'forgotten' to attach their 'VRT' badges.
OK we got commissioning parchments just like you guys in the 'real' air force, sometimes even with a genuine signature, but I definitely got the impression a [very] few were in it just to 'pretend' they were regular RAF Officers.
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but I definitely got the impression a [very] few were in it just to 'pretend' they were regular RAF Officers.
Some people have no shame. At least he didn't go all the way and pretend to be a SNCO!

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Some people have no shame. At least he didn't go all the way and pretend to be a SNCO!

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That's too difficult, even for a Walt
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Well he should have been showing 'VRT' on his rank slides.
Are those really worn on flying suits? Seems like they would snag on the harness and present a loose article hazard.
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Yeah, but he wasn't doing any flying as he was wearing the flying suit to man the BBMF stand as one of their volunteers. So technically there was no FOD hazard in his car!
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Hmmmm, MRAeS without also being EngTech, IEng or CEng. You dont see that very often ...
Don't need any of those to be MRAeS as aircrew. It's not the Aeronautical engineer society.

I wonder who let him fly their plane without doing a documents check? They were negligent surely? (However, forging an EASA licence and med certificate wouldnt be hard but would need a little dedication. )
 
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Originally Posted by Leon Jabachjabicz
Words fail me...

Well based on your extract / pic, I would have a couple of comments.

1. Wings on right side of chest? Maybe a reversed photo, but suspect not.

2 GCGI - The CGI Graduateship award via the RAF equates to 2 years substantive service as flt lt. What are the rules concerning VR(T) substantive rank? I was told a good while back that VR(T) ranks above fg off are acting; this could well be duff gen or old, so a genuine question here as to whether he is entitled to GCGI.

3. AMIntLM - doesn't exist. Associate Member of Institute of Leadership & Management is AMInstLM. At least try to get your CV right if you're going to make it up!
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Amateur

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Ok NutLoose, I'll bite. Don't agree. You don't get sent off solo until your instructor is satisfied that you are safe, and you do not take passengers until you have completed the course (military or civil) and are properly rated.
Herod I totally agree with you, I was referring to

Wesley Tierney, 25 of Letchworth, was given an eight month prison sentence suspended for 14 months after earlier pleading guilty to five charges – including three counts of acting as flight crew of an aircraft without holding an appropriate licence
In that a pilot under instruction and hence flying on his solo would not hold a licence either, that would only be awarded when he qualified. the charge above does not mention accompanied, hence my comment.


It does however prove the theory, any muppet can fly an aircraft..
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Ah, NutLoose, 'Flying' is easy, 'cos I did that. 'Operating' safely and efficiently, especially with pax, is another question.
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Are those really worn on flying suits? Seems like they would snag on the harness and present a loose article hazard.
VRT badges are available with the letters woven on a cloth backing; they're meant for No 5 and hence are a bit costly but all the guys at my VGS' wore them instead of the metal badges.
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2 GCGI - The CGI Graduateship award via the RAF equates to 2 years substantive service as flt lt. What are the rules concerning VR(T) substantive rank? I was told a good while back that VR(T) ranks above fg off are acting; this could well be duff gen or old, so a genuine question here as to whether he is entitled to GCGI.
A VRT Officer is only ever a substantive Fg Off, however when you leave you may (just may) be granted the privilege of using your last 'acting' rank as your title (apart from Gp Capts Vorderman and Foy; dunno what they will do) with the suffix 'Retd'. It's on the letter you receive from the personnel people notifying you of the termination of your commision.

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There were 2x current (not Ret'd) RAFVR(T) Sqn Ldrs on the VGS at RAF Halton for a few years. Given your post, how was that done? Was one of them effectively 'Retired' although they would both turn out in uniform regularly?

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Old 4th Mar 2017, 19:51
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He was also doing FISO at the airfield as I understand without a licence.
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Not so, North Weald is Air Ground only and he presented an Air Ground Operators Certificate of Competence when he started.
Don't ask me where it came from....
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LJ VRT officers can hold acting paid rank when filling an established post in a rank higher than their substantive - that's very common indeed - and currently also acting unpaid Flt Lt after 9 years (though that is likely to be abolished). When relinquishing such a post they are usually granted permission to continue to use their acting rank, now unpaid. Again there are moves to stop the latter practice.

So, an ATC Sqn commander is likely to be A/Flt Lt/Pd; VGS commander would be Sqn Ldr, etc. Probably what you encountered was the current boss and his predecessor; but the second Sqn Ldr could also be holding a post elsewhere (wing staff or CCF contingent commander).
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