Retention Review
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How to alienate people...
1) Ref retaining post failure I believe they can but to my knowledge never heard of anyone being forced to. There is no point after all.
2) Everything i've read here reaffirms what rumours I have heard reference RRP(F). Redistribution of cash, a little every year rather than four yearly jumps, ceiling is slightly higher not sure what happens to specialist aircrew pay(?).
No real change for those in the system now but those waiting will get the change.
No money until 6yrs post OCU or CTT could be problematic as people won't miss what they have never had especially if they are threaders and thinking out.
3) 70k for 6 years isn't much. I do wonder if you leave after 4 years whether you pay the full amount back or just a portion.
2) Everything i've read here reaffirms what rumours I have heard reference RRP(F). Redistribution of cash, a little every year rather than four yearly jumps, ceiling is slightly higher not sure what happens to specialist aircrew pay(?).
No real change for those in the system now but those waiting will get the change.
No money until 6yrs post OCU or CTT could be problematic as people won't miss what they have never had especially if they are threaders and thinking out.
3) 70k for 6 years isn't much. I do wonder if you leave after 4 years whether you pay the full amount back or just a portion.
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However, if they forget to get one to sign it in the rush to get a bum on a paid-for seat on a training course...
Post training, I think they gave up sending the RoS papers after my 3rd refusal to sign
Post training, I think they gave up sending the RoS papers after my 3rd refusal to sign
Says who?
There have certainly been no buzzes to that effect in my part of hte Navy.
If nothing else, the very easy conflation with 01 Apr would make it an odd choice of date to release.
There have certainly been no buzzes to that effect in my part of hte Navy.
If nothing else, the very easy conflation with 01 Apr would make it an odd choice of date to release.
I'm pretty sure that any potential changes at the end of this month won't affect your pay packet until the end of April. Your point is still largely valid though.
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Still no update then?
As we approach 3 weeks until the start of the month in which we will earn a different "salary", one would expect to have received something by now.
We might receive this pay at the end of April; however, we start earning that it on the 1st, so we "should"
have been told now.
People are making decisions (Return of Service, Extensions, Promotion, Early Termination et al) without having all the information to make an informed choice about their future.
I'm shocked that we have no real idea what is coming and how it is going to affect us. The lack of a formal update is indicative of the communications (or lack of) within Defence.
We might receive this pay at the end of April; however, we start earning that it on the 1st, so we "should"
have been told now.
People are making decisions (Return of Service, Extensions, Promotion, Early Termination et al) without having all the information to make an informed choice about their future.
I'm shocked that we have no real idea what is coming and how it is going to affect us. The lack of a formal update is indicative of the communications (or lack of) within Defence.
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Going back over the last 24 years of reports, up to and including 2006 they were almost without exception published in February. Since 2007 they have been published in March. I seem to recall one in the mid-'noughties' that was published at the last minute; pretty sure it was in the last week of March. The 'delay' is hardly unprecedented, though no more excusable.
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As someone awaiting an OCU (who can measure their time holding in thousands of days) I am extremely interested to know what the cut off for not receiving flying pay until the end of OCU RoS is? I have heard everything from "not yet at IOT" though to "not completed an OCU as of Apr 1st 2017" on the rumour mill, but surprisingly not a peep from anyone official.
Having waited many years to get to an OCU it would be somewhat of a kick in the teeth to have the goalposts changed, especially given course mates on different types who are already receiving FP.
If anyone could shed any light it would be most appreciated.
Having waited many years to get to an OCU it would be somewhat of a kick in the teeth to have the goalposts changed, especially given course mates on different types who are already receiving FP.
If anyone could shed any light it would be most appreciated.
The AFPRB isn't independent, and doesn't claim to be (their limitations are normally published on page one of their report), at the end of the day they are constrained by the government's instructions.
Given that the government has repeatedly said that pay rises for public employees are limited to a maximum of 1% until 2019-2020, surely there can't be much of a surprise in the main thrust of the AFPRB eventual report?
Given that the government has repeatedly said that pay rises for public employees are limited to a maximum of 1% until 2019-2020, surely there can't be much of a surprise in the main thrust of the AFPRB eventual report?
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As someone awaiting an OCU (who can measure their time holding in thousands of days) I am extremely interested to know what the cut off for not receiving flying pay until the end of OCU RoS is? I have heard everything from "not yet at IOT" though to "not completed an OCU as of Apr 1st 2017" on the rumour mill, but surprisingly not a peep from anyone official.
Having waited many years to get to an OCU it would be somewhat of a kick in the teeth to have the goalposts changed, especially given course mates on different types who are already receiving FP.
If anyone could shed any light it would be most appreciated.
Having waited many years to get to an OCU it would be somewhat of a kick in the teeth to have the goalposts changed, especially given course mates on different types who are already receiving FP.
If anyone could shed any light it would be most appreciated.
The last major change (2005 IIRC) was went it changed from the old "72 weeks flying training" for the award of FP to "completion of OCU". Back then the change affected those who had done EFT on UASs (it was based on the EFT completion date) and was implemented using a date 2 years previously in 2003. This led to courses further down the pipeline where some were on the old system, in receipt of FP, and others, quite often whose service was identical to the day, were on the new system and 24-36 months away from completing an OCU. Fairness and any perceived "kick in the teeth" won't come in to it. Brace yourself for the worst case; any improvement on that will then come as a pleasant surprise.
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Interesting letter from the treasury here,
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...FPRB_chair.pdf
In the house on Monday@ 2:30, defence and topical questions - might have some updates.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...FPRB_chair.pdf
In the house on Monday@ 2:30, defence and topical questions - might have some updates.
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I'm very disappointed that we haven't received anything official yet, as I know I am not alone in saying that this could decide if I even start an OCU (and 6 year RoS). This simply could be the straw that broke the camels back for many; 2010 redundancies, 2015 Pension, NEM, FAM, years of holding. The average guy reaching an OCU these days is 30, not young twenties any more!
I guess I could always notify the RAF of changes to my ToS and stop working Fridays....
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NMHHHH 😔
I fear the worst for you NMHHHH, especially after such a long hold. Ultimately they have retained you, which doesn't make this a fair system. It never is.
I went through the same NMHHHH with the last change in 2005. My era should have received "Flying Pay" at the 72 week point in accordance with the agreed position on joining the RAF.
I didn't really chase at the time, because I'd only just joined.
Should have had flying pay in 2005, but didn't receive it until 2008 and lost out (c. £20,000 plus). The new proposal is "allegedly" much more of a hit initially for those who haven't finished their Phase 2 trg.
We need the details sooner rather than later, especially those like yourself who may be significantly impacted (supposedly).
Good luck.
I'll keep chasing and upload any links to updates if and when they are released.
I went through the same NMHHHH with the last change in 2005. My era should have received "Flying Pay" at the 72 week point in accordance with the agreed position on joining the RAF.
I didn't really chase at the time, because I'd only just joined.
Should have had flying pay in 2005, but didn't receive it until 2008 and lost out (c. £20,000 plus). The new proposal is "allegedly" much more of a hit initially for those who haven't finished their Phase 2 trg.
We need the details sooner rather than later, especially those like yourself who may be significantly impacted (supposedly).
Good luck.
I'll keep chasing and upload any links to updates if and when they are released.
All the rumours that I have heard (which have originated Manning DOs) have the new RRP(Fg) package improving for all when looked at over the course of a career, so you might be pleasantly surprised. Ultimately the changes are being made to retain people, and they aren't going to do that successfully by introducing a package that sees people worse off overall.
If you are still in phase 2 training then I would probably prepare yourself for the likelihood that you won't receive retention pay during your initial 6 year RoS when you are contractually obliged to stay in the RAF. But after that I reckon there is a good chance that you will be better off than if you had stayed on the old system and worked your way up to middle rate flying pay.
Of course, until Manning release some facts, this is just rumour, but Manning DOs have been discussing it with front line personnel, so there should be at least some truth behind them.
If you are still in phase 2 training then I would probably prepare yourself for the likelihood that you won't receive retention pay during your initial 6 year RoS when you are contractually obliged to stay in the RAF. But after that I reckon there is a good chance that you will be better off than if you had stayed on the old system and worked your way up to middle rate flying pay.
Of course, until Manning release some facts, this is just rumour, but Manning DOs have been discussing it with front line personnel, so there should be at least some truth behind them.
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USAF pilot retention
I can't vouch for the rest of the remuneration package, but there is an article here about the USAF retention bonus - and how it isn't as effective as they would like it to be.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/ndaa-aviator-retention-pay
https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/ndaa-aviator-retention-pay
