Prince Charles Prang in Isle of Islay - June 1995
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Prince Charles Prang in Isle of Islay - June 1995
I've been searching the web (unsucessfully) for the report of the accident to the BAe 146 of the Royal Flight that Price Charles pranged on the Isle of Islay in June 1995.
If it's available publically online I'd be grateful for a pointer please.
TIA
Tony
If it's available publically online I'd be grateful for a pointer please.
TIA
Tony
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I saw the hard copy of this report a few years ago, am sure it was RESTRICTED so you won't find it on the net. If you have access to the intraweb it might be worth searching The DASC website.
It is indeed Restricted.
The date was 29 June 1994.
'twas said at the time that if HRH had stuck his head out of the window, his large ears might have assisted with the deceleration needed to cope with landing some 30 knots too fast on a short RW.....
Except that, with a 12 knot tailwind, they would have acted more like sails!
The date was 29 June 1994.
'twas said at the time that if HRH had stuck his head out of the window, his large ears might have assisted with the deceleration needed to cope with landing some 30 knots too fast on a short RW.....
Except that, with a 12 knot tailwind, they would have acted more like sails!
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But Charlie didn't prang. 'twas the Captain that pranged. 
Anyway, Freedom of Information; you want a copy, write in and ask. Restricted is no bar to your getting a copy.
Anyway, Freedom of Information; you want a copy, write in and ask. Restricted is no bar to your getting a copy.
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Thanks to fabs for the advice about the DASC website. A Google search for DASC led me to their site, which in turn led me to the Military Aircraft Accident Summary (MAAS) site. The report headed "Military Aircraft Accident Summary (MAAS), Aircraft Type: RAF BAe 146 CC2 ZE700, Date: 29 June 1994, Location: Islay Airfield" is reputedly on line as the very long URL below indicates:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Ab...46Cc2Ze700.htm
However clicking on the link to the accident report pdf results in a "page not found error". Other incident reports listed open normally, so is there still some sensitivity about HRH's accident I wonder?
Tony
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Ab...46Cc2Ze700.htm
However clicking on the link to the accident report pdf results in a "page not found error". Other incident reports listed open normally, so is there still some sensitivity about HRH's accident I wonder?
Tony
Have you tried any other of the links in the MAAS section, NONE appear to work, so it may be nothing to do with Air Chief Marshal The Prince Of Wales, more likely just another software glitch in the MOD.
Hmmm......
I seem to recall that the Captain and Navigator were both held to be grossly negligent.
No mention in this watered-down version of the inadequate performance planning, poor SOPs or CRM issues which I vaguely recall having featured significantly in the original Incident Report.....
I seem to recall that the Captain and Navigator were both held to be grossly negligent.
No mention in this watered-down version of the inadequate performance planning, poor SOPs or CRM issues which I vaguely recall having featured significantly in the original Incident Report.....
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Thawes,
The link results in a 3 page pdf document "Military Aircraft Incident Summary Published By The MoD Incident To RAF BAe 146 CC2 ZE700".
Are you allowing it time to download?
The link results in a 3 page pdf document "Military Aircraft Incident Summary Published By The MoD Incident To RAF BAe 146 CC2 ZE700".
Are you allowing it time to download?
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If, as Beag's says the Captain and Navigator were held to be "grossly incompetant" that doesn't say much for Jug Ears who was flying in the LH seat at the time!!
The best thing about that accident was that "Mummy won't let the incompetant twit fly her aeroplane any more". He doesn't appear to have flown since. That makes for safer airspace, and careers for the rest.
Needless to say any official report won't make Jug Ears look bad, but will hang anyone else close to the scene.
I will now get my hat and coat and head for the Tower!!
The best thing about that accident was that "Mummy won't let the incompetant twit fly her aeroplane any more". He doesn't appear to have flown since. That makes for safer airspace, and careers for the rest.
Needless to say any official report won't make Jug Ears look bad, but will hang anyone else close to the scene.
I will now get my hat and coat and head for the Tower!!
There is also this watered down version in the public domain:
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=187927
Extract:
"The flight had come from Aberdeen. Runway 13/31 at Islay is 1,545 metres long with a landing distance available of 1,245 metres. The runway has a tarmac surface. It is reported that the Board of Inquiry found the captain 'negligent' in that '(he failed) to intervene when the aircraft performance and limitations were exceeded in the final stages of the flight'.
The navigator was also apparently found 'negligent' for 'failing to advise the captain of the tailwind component and to draw his attention to the inaccurate approach parameters.' "
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=187927
Extract:
"The flight had come from Aberdeen. Runway 13/31 at Islay is 1,545 metres long with a landing distance available of 1,245 metres. The runway has a tarmac surface. It is reported that the Board of Inquiry found the captain 'negligent' in that '(he failed) to intervene when the aircraft performance and limitations were exceeded in the final stages of the flight'.
The navigator was also apparently found 'negligent' for 'failing to advise the captain of the tailwind component and to draw his attention to the inaccurate approach parameters.' "
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If, as Beag's says the Captain and Navigator were held to be "grossly incompetant" that doesn't say much for Jug Ears who was flying in the LH seat at the time!!
The best thing about that accident was that "Mummy won't let the incompetant twit fly her aeroplane any more". He doesn't appear to have flown since. That makes for safer airspace, and careers for the rest.
Needless to say any official report won't make Jug Ears look bad, but will hang anyone else close to the scene.
I will now get my hat and coat and head for the Tower!!
The best thing about that accident was that "Mummy won't let the incompetant twit fly her aeroplane any more". He doesn't appear to have flown since. That makes for safer airspace, and careers for the rest.
Needless to say any official report won't make Jug Ears look bad, but will hang anyone else close to the scene.
I will now get my hat and coat and head for the Tower!!
No worries, there are one or two around... your a protected endangered species.
I remember the incident reported on the TV BBC news. After reading this thread, I went digging on the Web and found THIS
