New trailer is out for Dunkirk.
Saw it yesterday...great film...however the chopped up editing made it very confusing time line wise for some...
I found it very strange in the opening that they refered to the "enemy" and not to "Germans or perhaps to be PC even "Nazi Germany" or "Hitler's Germany".
Also if ditching a Spit would you not want to lock the 'hood, canopy' open? During the film the pilots slide them back then close them again.
I had no idea spits ditched so well!
Also if you are going to glide to a landing on a beach is "wheels down" the best idea especially if you are going to destroy the aircraft anyhow? Great landing however.
Enjoyed the movie a lot.
There were a lot of folks very confused walking out of the film due to the choppy editing.
There should have been a couple of scenes to give historical context to the events depicted.
I found it very strange in the opening that they refered to the "enemy" and not to "Germans or perhaps to be PC even "Nazi Germany" or "Hitler's Germany".
Also if ditching a Spit would you not want to lock the 'hood, canopy' open? During the film the pilots slide them back then close them again.
I had no idea spits ditched so well!
Also if you are going to glide to a landing on a beach is "wheels down" the best idea especially if you are going to destroy the aircraft anyhow? Great landing however.
Enjoyed the movie a lot.
There were a lot of folks very confused walking out of the film due to the choppy editing.
There should have been a couple of scenes to give historical context to the events depicted.
Never mind the aviation irregularities, the railway coaches they traveled in on return to UK were BR Mk1 stock with an upholstery pattern on the seats that is late 1960's!! They should have contacted the Bluebell Railway who have coaches that fit the timescale in all aspects.
Ok that is nit picking, and I felt that overall the film is a very well made film that is loosely based on a true story.
Ok that is nit picking, and I felt that overall the film is a very well made film that is loosely based on a true story.
Terrible film, although great fun spotting the very many historical inaccuracies (was that a helideck on the destroyer??), continuity errors etc etc. Typical Nolan mumbo jumbo
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errible film, although great fun spotting the very many historical inaccuracies (was that a helideck on the destroyer??), continuity errors etc etc. Typical Nolan mumbo jumbo
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I also wonder if the 'lots of civilians crewing the little boats' myth is continued in the movie.
Still, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Its not really a myth as there were undoubtedly many hundreds of them, but their contribution is often overrated, as the vast majority of troops were rescued by larger naval vessels from jetties, rather than by small boats off the beaches.
If you really want nitpicking, try the review in 'USA Today' which says,
"The trio of timelines can be jarring as you figure out how they all fit, and the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way."
I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm sure it would've been much better and more inclusive if the Spitfire pilot had been played by Helen Mirren or Beyoncé, instead of Tom Hardy .
"The trio of timelines can be jarring as you figure out how they all fit, and the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way."
I haven't seen the film yet, but I'm sure it would've been much better and more inclusive if the Spitfire pilot had been played by Helen Mirren or Beyoncé, instead of Tom Hardy .
Also if you are going to glide to a landing on a beach is "wheels down" the best idea especially if you are going to destroy the aircraft anyhow?
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Have to say I was distinctly underwhelmed. Thought the acting was nothing special, RN ships looking well post war, the Heinkle would have crashed no where near the ship and with all the heritage railways in the country, couldn't they have found a period railway carriage instead of the one I travelled in last week.
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Bob V I think you will find that the Spit & Hurri of that period actually had what was known as a reflector gun sight which did not automatically calculate lead. The later Giro gun sight did but that only came into operational use in early 1944. I have a feeling that the first a/c to be fitted with the Giro were Mk IX Spits.
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You are probably right. All I can say is it looked like the Hawk T1A sight (which I know was of Spitfire vintage).
I will defer to your greater knowledge.
My more general point is that we should not let knowledge ruin our enjoyment of films. The term I always bear in mind is 'suspension of disbelief'.
When I was 12 I saw Top Gun and fell in love with fighter jets. If I'd let the technical inaccuracies distract me I never would have ended up where I am now. Drunk in Texas, but you know what I mean!
I maintain that it was a great film and if it helps a new generation (or new demographic) understand an oft forgotten event then all I can say is well done.
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You are probably right. All I can say is it looked like the Hawk T1A sight (which I know was of Spitfire vintage).
I will defer to your greater knowledge.
My more general point is that we should not let knowledge ruin our enjoyment of films. The term I always bear in mind is 'suspension of disbelief'.
When I was 12 I saw Top Gun and fell in love with fighter jets. If I'd let the technical inaccuracies distract me I never would have ended up where I am now. Drunk in Texas, but you know what I mean!
I maintain that it was a great film and if it helps a new generation (or new demographic) understand an oft forgotten event then all I can say is well done.
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BV I totally agree with your sentiments. Given that it is near impossible to recreate all the hardware of the period accurately it is indeed a great film for the reasons you mention.
I would also add that it is a great reviver of memories for those of us now heading into our dotage and that is no bad thing. Helps to keep some distance between us and the funny farm.
Incidentally as the reflector gun sight of that time did not predict the lead required for deflection shots a great deal of practise by both pilots and air gunners was undertaken with clay pigeons and shot guns. A great deal more fun than squatting in a simulator I think.
I would also add that it is a great reviver of memories for those of us now heading into our dotage and that is no bad thing. Helps to keep some distance between us and the funny farm.
Incidentally as the reflector gun sight of that time did not predict the lead required for deflection shots a great deal of practise by both pilots and air gunners was undertaken with clay pigeons and shot guns. A great deal more fun than squatting in a simulator I think.
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DODGYOLDFART (#99),
When I did my OTU on the Spitfire I in 1942, ISTR that we had a simple "ring and bead" reflector sight. A long forgotten "simulator" called the "Edmunds Trainer" consisted of the Link trainer with one of these sights fitted plus a model aircraft mounted on a trolley. A chap pushed this across your bows, and you guessed the deflection and yawed the Link accordingly.
Of course, it was hopeless, as the Link yawed "in leaps and bounds" (very jerkily), and how we were assessed (if at all) I cannot remember. Clay pigeons would've been useful, but we didn't have any. The aircraft had gun cameras, but they were never used for training - I suppose that the cost of film plus developing and assessing results was too much to bear. The result was, as I have said (on "Pilot's Brevet") in the distant past, "a young man might arrive on his first squadron having fired nothing more lethal than the popgun he had as a child".
I had totally forgotten the "Edmunds Trainer" until I found entries in the "Link Trainer" section of my log of time spent in it. Had to appeal on "Pilots Brevet" Thread to find what it it was, for I'd lost all memory of it ! By the most curious of coincidences, I later served with a Wing Commander Edmondes, an Armaments Branch officer, who had devised it ("Edmondes" having been corrupted into "Edmonds" and then "Edmunds"). Strange but true.
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When I did my OTU on the Spitfire I in 1942, ISTR that we had a simple "ring and bead" reflector sight. A long forgotten "simulator" called the "Edmunds Trainer" consisted of the Link trainer with one of these sights fitted plus a model aircraft mounted on a trolley. A chap pushed this across your bows, and you guessed the deflection and yawed the Link accordingly.
Of course, it was hopeless, as the Link yawed "in leaps and bounds" (very jerkily), and how we were assessed (if at all) I cannot remember. Clay pigeons would've been useful, but we didn't have any. The aircraft had gun cameras, but they were never used for training - I suppose that the cost of film plus developing and assessing results was too much to bear. The result was, as I have said (on "Pilot's Brevet") in the distant past, "a young man might arrive on his first squadron having fired nothing more lethal than the popgun he had as a child".
I had totally forgotten the "Edmunds Trainer" until I found entries in the "Link Trainer" section of my log of time spent in it. Had to appeal on "Pilots Brevet" Thread to find what it it was, for I'd lost all memory of it ! By the most curious of coincidences, I later served with a Wing Commander Edmondes, an Armaments Branch officer, who had devised it ("Edmondes" having been corrupted into "Edmonds" and then "Edmunds"). Strange but true.
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