Public Interest Lawyers/Phil Shiner
cynacalint,
Get over yourself, this is a rumour site on the web and NOTHING matters here, especially typos and spelling errors....
The military are the ones pursuing the case, I guess they must have a reason?
Get over yourself, this is a rumour site on the web and NOTHING matters here, especially typos and spelling errors....
The military are the ones pursuing the case, I guess they must have a reason?
Well, obviously there's a reason. But is that reason just, moral, professionally based and non-political?
We don't publicly know, but eight (EIGHT!) bites at the cherry don't inspire confidence.
"Justice seen to be done", and all that.
We don't publicly know, but eight (EIGHT!) bites at the cherry don't inspire confidence.
"Justice seen to be done", and all that.
cl00wne,
of course you are perfectly correct. Spelling and typos are not important, ever.
This website is not serious and nothing on here is important, which is why you post meaningful, passionate and controversial comments.
It maybe a reason that the MOD cannot be seen to have been wrong and are frantically chasing an outcome to suit themselves.
I think that Shiner's downfall perfectly illustrates the eventual futility of chasing cases like this and he brings the whole legal profession into an unwelcome disrepute,
BUT, even you,as a legal expert, barrister etc.must see the injustice of EIGHT inquiries
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of course you are perfectly correct. Spelling and typos are not important, ever.
This website is not serious and nothing on here is important, which is why you post meaningful, passionate and controversial comments.
It maybe a reason that the MOD cannot be seen to have been wrong and are frantically chasing an outcome to suit themselves.
I think that Shiner's downfall perfectly illustrates the eventual futility of chasing cases like this and he brings the whole legal profession into an unwelcome disrepute,
BUT, even you,as a legal expert, barrister etc.must see the injustice of EIGHT inquiries
.
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The eight attempts at prosecuting this Major has all the hallmarks of a fairly trivial case aganst a civil pilot about thirty years back.
The pilot won the case in the magistrates court but the police appealed, at this point BALPA got involves because a conviction would have ended the pilots career.
The police lost in all the courts up to the House of Lords and the law lords arrived at the opinion that the police just kept pushing the case up the leagal system because they did not want to back down and would win when the pilot ran out of money to defend himself.
The case aganst this Major has the same smell to it with the MoD playing with tax payers money and a bruised ego because they failed to get the guy on the previous seven occasions.
I fail to see how after seven enquiries an eighth attempt at prosecuting this guy is in the public lnterest.
The pilot won the case in the magistrates court but the police appealed, at this point BALPA got involves because a conviction would have ended the pilots career.
The police lost in all the courts up to the House of Lords and the law lords arrived at the opinion that the police just kept pushing the case up the leagal system because they did not want to back down and would win when the pilot ran out of money to defend himself.
The case aganst this Major has the same smell to it with the MoD playing with tax payers money and a bruised ego because they failed to get the guy on the previous seven occasions.
I fail to see how after seven enquiries an eighth attempt at prosecuting this guy is in the public lnterest.
In my simple world the Ministry of Defence should be on the same side as soldiers as a default position.
Naive to a fault no doubt.
Naive to a fault no doubt.
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I believe all this talk of pardons and 'quashing'to be irrelevant. As I understand it there is no prospect of Major Campbell being prosecuted the final decision being taken last year. He has now been called to give evidence to the Iraq Fatal Investigations Inquiry from which no prosecution can follow? This has been established as HMG have to carry out investigations into potential war crimes to satisfy our obligations to the International Court of Human Rights.
The issue here isn't that Major Campbell was investigated initially by the RMP and now has to give evidence at an inquiry. The issue is that it has taken 14 years so far, 8 separate agencies have looked into the case and he has been utterly let down by successive governments and the MoD. And they wonder why experience is walking out of the door!
The issue here isn't that Major Campbell was investigated initially by the RMP and now has to give evidence at an inquiry. The issue is that it has taken 14 years so far, 8 separate agencies have looked into the case and he has been utterly let down by successive governments and the MoD. And they wonder why experience is walking out of the door!
I believe all this talk of pardons and 'quashing'to be irrelevant. As I understand it there is no prospect of Major Campbell being prosecuted the final decision being taken last year. He has now been called to give evidence to the Iraq Fatal Investigations Inquiry from which no prosecution can follow? This has been established as HMG have to carry out investigations into potential war crimes to satisfy our obligations to the International Court of Human Rights.
The issue here isn't that Major Campbell was investigated initially by the RMP and now has to give evidence at an inquiry. The issue is that it has taken 14 years so far, 8 separate agencies have looked into the case and he has been utterly let down by successive governments and the MoD. And they wonder why experience is walking out of the door!
The issue here isn't that Major Campbell was investigated initially by the RMP and now has to give evidence at an inquiry. The issue is that it has taken 14 years so far, 8 separate agencies have looked into the case and he has been utterly let down by successive governments and the MoD. And they wonder why experience is walking out of the door!
This article implies a different scenario to your opening paragraph..... now I know its the daily fail and so not reliable ... however ....
Army Major facing probe over death of Iraqi teen | Daily Mail Online
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http://www.iraq-judicial-investigations.org/
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And eny fule no that to make your point effectively on a written forum it helps to be able to spell and use grammar at least reasonably well.
As to the rest of what you seem to be trying to say ... I'm thinking of a word but can't remember how to spell it .. twonk? or is it twunt? Someone help me out please ...
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The Ministry of Defence is THE main prosecutor of soldiers,sailors and airmen, always has been and always will be.
Jeez...
Jeez...
Come back with the facts.
Admiralty, War Office, Air Ministry.
Admiralty, War Office, Air Ministry.
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Got to nail someone !
It’s not much of an enquiry if you can’t find anyone to blame, after all it looks to the left wingers and the press like a white wash.
But what if there is no one to blame ?.......... Quick guys we better find someone to justify all the expense of the enquiry and our fees !
But what if there is no one to blame ?.......... Quick guys we better find someone to justify all the expense of the enquiry and our fees !
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Fair to say, rights of prosecutors and creditors (not strictly relevant) under current insolvency legislation won’t help him much.
As if there was any doubt about the man's (lack of) integrity:
Disgraced Iraq lawyer Phil Shiner hid houses and even his guitars in bid to avoid paying £7m debts
Disgraced Iraq lawyer Phil Shiner hid houses and even his guitars in bid to avoid paying £7m debts
It’s not much of an enquiry if you can’t find anyone to blame, after all it looks to the left wingers and the press like a white wash.
But what if there is no one to blame ?.......... Quick guys we better find someone to justify all the expense of the enquiry and our fees !
But what if there is no one to blame ?.......... Quick guys we better find someone to justify all the expense of the enquiry and our fees !
Inquiry !
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Some good news, knocking the shine off a Shiner
He is up in court on fraud charges re the false claims against the Iraq War Veterans
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...fb5f391d03b946
Let's hope he does time.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...fb5f391d03b946
Former human rights lawyer Phil Shiner is facing fraud charges linked to claims made against Iraq War veterans.
The 65-year-old boss of now-defunct Public Interest Lawyers (PIL) was struck off by the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) in 2017 for pursuing false torture and murder allegations against British troops.
Shiner, from Birmingham, is due to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Monday to face three counts of fraud following a five-year National Crime Agency (NCA) investigation.
An NCA spokesman said: “Following an NCA investigation and CPS authorisation, Philip Shiner, 65 from Birmingham, will appear at Westminster Magistrates Court on Monday to answer charges in respect of fraud offences relating to legal aid claims made in 2007 and information provided to the Solicitors Regulation Authority in 2015.”
The 65-year-old boss of now-defunct Public Interest Lawyers (PIL) was struck off by the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) in 2017 for pursuing false torture and murder allegations against British troops.
Shiner, from Birmingham, is due to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Monday to face three counts of fraud following a five-year National Crime Agency (NCA) investigation.
An NCA spokesman said: “Following an NCA investigation and CPS authorisation, Philip Shiner, 65 from Birmingham, will appear at Westminster Magistrates Court on Monday to answer charges in respect of fraud offences relating to legal aid claims made in 2007 and information provided to the Solicitors Regulation Authority in 2015.”
Good.
Hope that he gets all that he deserves.
Hope that he gets all that he deserves.
