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Old 5th Jul 2019, 12:38
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 12:57
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Seizing a Panamanian registered Tanker full of Iranian Oil....now it is the British that are poking the Ayatollah's in the eye instead fo those pesky Americans.

A news report states there are four Iranian owned Tankers engaged in the illegal shipping of crude oil.

Memory serves me there have been four Tankers attacked by Limpet Mines.....sounds fair to me that the SBS and SEAL's do a direct action operation in retaliation.....let the Ayatollah's do the math on how many Tankers they have as compared to the rest of the World.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 13:10
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Regretably, together with the buffoon Boris' comments when he was Foreign Secretary, I don't see Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe coming home soon.

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Old 5th Jul 2019, 14:46
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Seizing a Panamanian registered Tanker full of Iranian Oil....now it is the British that are poking the Ayatollah's in the eye instead fo those pesky Americans.

A news report states there are four Iranian owned Tankers engaged in the illegal shipping of crude oil.

Memory serves me there have been four Tankers attacked by Limpet Mines.....sounds fair to me that the SBS and SEAL's do a direct action operation in retaliation.....let the Ayatollah's do the math on how many Tankers they have as compared to the rest of the World.
You mean Iran should be allowed to shoot down a US airliner to be fair?
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 15:04
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Well itís one way to start a war.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48865030

Oil tanker bound for Syria detained in Gibraltar

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8989371.html

Iran threatens to seize British oil tanker in retaliation unless ship taken by Royal Marines off Gibraltar released
Ok bring back the Armilla Patrol then.

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Old 8th Jul 2019, 09:24
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Originally Posted by arketip View Post
You mean Iran should be allowed to shoot down a US airliner to be fair?
Some suggest they did - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ormer-spy.html


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Old 8th Jul 2019, 19:00
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Originally Posted by arketip View Post
You mean Iran should be allowed to shoot down a US airliner to be fair?


Did you ever stand up to a Play Ground Bully in your life?

They hit you...you hit them back....they go pick on someone else!

In the Freedom of Navigation game....which Navy will you bet your money on....the Iranian Navy or the US Navy?

Every time one of their vessels crosses the 12 Mile limit and hazards any vessel in any manner...put them on the bottom and hold a Miller Time for all Hands.

How long do you think that would last before they got the message?

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Old 8th Jul 2019, 23:18
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Who is the bully here?
Afaik, Iran has done nothing illegal under international law, whereas the seizure of their tanker is pretty iffy legally.
No question the US Navy has much more power, not sure that might makes right in this instance.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 02:05
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You of course assume Iran is not guilty of the attacks or deny Iran is behind the four mine attacks....right?

If you reject the idea that Iran is the guilty party....who did the attacks?
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 07:18
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SAS - I think there was quite a discussion about that question earlier - there were enough suspects to fill an Agatha Christie TV episode.

I see your point about playground bullies BUT -are you willing to take any consequences? Say the USN sinks a few Iranian warships - then I'd say it would be understandable if the Iranians sank a US ship or two - no?

Or is it a one way street??
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 09:28
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
....who did the attacks?
Mossad?
They have lots of motivation and plenty of previous.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 10:52
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Mossad?
They have lots of motivation and plenty of previous.
Ah, the Jews. Only took 131 posts.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 14:49
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not the Jews - Israelis

Melmothw,
To say that it might have been Mossad is not being anti semitic. I personally have no particular love for the current Israeli regime nor of the Zionists (a political, not religious movement) and their continued breaking of UN mandates in building settlements on the West Bank. But for the Jewish religion as a whole, I have nothing but admiration considering all that was endured in the holocaust. Your suggestive statement "Ah, the Jews...." would suggest that no one can look at the possibility of a particular country or that countries security organisation might be responsible for an attack disguised as a terrorist attack is risible. There have been many false flag operations around the world by countries (ours included) wanting to stir the sh1t a bit. Just as I personally think that the student attack on legco in HK was possibly not by the undergraduates of a HK college but one much much further north. Rant over.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 15:39
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I personally have no particular love for the current Israeli regime...
You surprise me.

...the Zionists (a political, not religious movement) and their continued breaking of UN mandates in building settlements on the West Bank.
Boom, there we go.

There have been many false flag operations around the world by countries (ours included)
So why not MI6 then, or the CIA or the FSB? Why always straight to Mossad? It's a rhetorical question.

Just as I personally think that the student attack on legco in HK was possibly not by the undergraduates of a HK college but one much much further north
So?

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Old 9th Jul 2019, 18:38
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Or is it a one way street??
Done right....absolutely!

Mess with the Bull....you get the horns!
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 19:16
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...iran-h2q85hn6v

Royal Navy frigate ‘on standby’ amid fears Iran could seize oil tanker

Defence chiefs are considering plans to order a Royal Navy frigate escort for a BP oil tanker through the Gulf after Iranian officials threatened to impound British vessels.

British Heritage, a tanker owned by BP Shipping and registered in the Isle of Man, is off the coast of Saudi Arabia after Tehran today repeated the threat, which it first issued last Friday. That was a response to the detention of an Iranian tanker in Gibraltar because of fears it could be used to breach sanctions. The fate of the tanker is now being debated at the highest levels, with the future of shipping in the Strait of Hormuz at the entrance to the Gulf, the world’s most important shipping lane for oil and gas, at stake.

Iran has threatened to close the Strait periodically if its vessels are blocked from trading oil as a result of the Trump administration’s decision to reimpose tight sanctions on it. The United States, Britain and other allies have been equally vehement that the Strait must remain open and said “all options” would be considered to ensure this happened.

HMS Montrose, a Royal Navy frigate based in Bahrain, is in the Gulf and is understood to have been alerted to a possible operation to “shadow” British Heritage as it sails. BP and Royal Dutch Shell are both refusing to comment on the vessel’s fate, fearing any escalation in the situation. Vessel tracking websites today showed that British Heritage was still in the Gulf, well clear of Iranian waters, off the Saudi port of Dammam. A Royal Navy spokesman refused to comment on whether a request for naval protection had been received.......

British officials are said to be in close touch with the US and other allies about the threat to shipping in the region. A firm decision on what to do next has not been made as yet, The Times understands.......

British Heritage had been due to pick up oil from the Iraqi port of Basra on a contract with Royal Dutch Shell, according to the financial news agency Bloomberg........

Vessel-tracking websites showed that the British Heritage, which was already in the Gulf, changed course on Saturday and failed to dock in Basra. The port, the key node at the head of the Gulf for Iraq’s oil industry, is a few miles from the Iranian border and any shipping that docks there has to skirt Iranian territorial waters. The vessel is reluctant to try to leave the Gulf, which would also mean coming close to Iranian waters. The Strait of Hormuz is only 40 miles across at its narrowest point, with Iranian vessels also present.

Major General Mohammad Bagheri, head of Iran’s armed forces, renewed its threat to British shipping this morning. “Capture of the Iranian oil tanker based on fabricated excuses will not be unanswered and when necessary Tehran will give appropriate answer,” he said.

Separately, the Gibraltar authorities said that tests had confirmed the Grace 1 was “filled to the brim” with crude oil, discounting other claims that it was carrying fuel oil........
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 19:31
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Thanks - I'll try to behave !
I have nominated you for the prestigious, and fictional, PPRuNe Member of the Decade award. Not sure when the elections are, though.
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 13:25
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Whilst the melmoth and acw contributions are still up I notice a truly appalling post has been removed by the mods -

sort of shakes you to see that sort of thing in print on here
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Old 10th Jul 2019, 13:49
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Whilst the melmoth and acw contributions are still up I notice a truly appalling post has been removed by the mods -

sort of shakes you to see that sort of thing in print on here
Indeed. I noted that the particular comment you refer to and most of the foul ones on the Gay Pride thread came from posters who I have not seen on the Military Aircrew site before. Hopefully they have all gone back to Jet Blast, and will stay there.
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