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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 14:36
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As someone who 'grew up' with raw radar [i.e. MPN11 ] a bit of fiddling with gain controls etc. can work wonders.

Same with the old PAR. You could reduce a VC-10 to 3 blips [nose, wings, tail/engines] and also see the RHAG cable on the runway.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 15:02
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Tried that with a B2, nothing. Stealth doesn't mean it's not invisible to RADAR. Between tactics, intelligence data and reduced signature, stealth works.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 16:10
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Originally Posted by West Coast
Tried that with a B2, nothing. Stealth doesn't mean it's not invisible to RADAR. Between tactics, intelligence data and reduced signature, stealth works.
Was that ground to air where there isn't much clutter? Air to ground with the associated clutter must be different?
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 17:21
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Was that ground to air where there isn't much clutter? Air to ground with the associated clutter must be different?
You just have to make sure you give enough of a return to look like clutter, which can't be beyond the wit of man. Especially if you're being paid several $Billion to do it.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 17:22
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MPN11 - thanks, d'oh!
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 17:27
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I got a lock on a F117 once whilst we were doing an offensive VID. The USAF weren't too happy when I blurted out the ID of the aircraft on a clear frequency!!!! Apparently at the time it was 'optimised for surface to air threats'.

As others have said, and other countries have done, you can develop techniques to see most things within the EM spectrum; you just need to be sneaky or someone will develop a counter to your counter and then the EW merry-go-round begins.

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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 18:43
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Engines are Rolls Royce MT30s, similar to those in the Queen Elizabeth class Aircraft Carrier.
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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 22:37
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I got a lock on a F117 once whilst we were doing an offensive VID. The USAF weren't too happy when I blurted out the ID of the aircraft on a clear frequency!!!! Apparently at the time it was 'optimised for surface to air threats'.
The F-117 employed signature augmentation "devices" to increase its signature on many missions including deployments. These were removed for operational scenarios.
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T28B: Hmm, did the American Navy borrow this idea from the Kirov cruiser's helicopter hangar idea?

T28B. I believe the Zumwalt does not have a below deck hangar or elevator like the Kirov- just a straight in traditional hangar in the aft end of the main superstructure, just like most every US Destroyer, frigate or cruiser that has a hangar has had for decades. The track lines you see on the deck are for winching helos/UAVs in and out, not elevator outlines.


A better question would be did the Kirov borrow their hangar/elevator idea from the US CGN Virginia class? which may have borrowed the below deck idea from the USS Baltimore class of WWII era.....
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 16:45
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sandiego89 appears to be right about the helicopter hangar:
See the picture here. (It's too big to import onto PPRuNe.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...9506093883.jpg
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