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Old 13th Oct 2016, 11:20
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Russian worries or just posturing?

So apparently Putin has ordered Russian families of diplomats and oversees workers to return to the motherland for fear of WW3

Syria, France visit cancelled and nuclear processing agreement cancelled with the USA are some of the latest causes for concern.

Linked on a number of sources including the Daily Express

Is it time to head for the bunkers?
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 11:40
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What Bunkers?
The UK response to Russia's antics? Our Foreign Secretary asking for placard wavers.
I think there is a element of posturing but, let's face it, Russia can do what it likes.
The USA has left the stage, the UK could not punch it's way out of a wet paper bag and as for our 'allies' in Europe

Fifth biggest economy? Fifth biggest illusion more like.
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There is a lot of goading going on to get a reaction and its clear where it is coming from.

Listening to US State Dept Ex Military Press spokesperson stating that living under Al Qaeda in Aleppo is ok tells you something is fundamentally wrong.

US has lost its way with 5th rate politicians and chancers funded by rich Corporations seeking to have their way.
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Before we get cross with the Russians, what do we want to happen? I haven't seen any coherent objectives laid out by a Western government. Still less a plan to achieve it. Last report, General Petraus was insisting we support Al Qaeda
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Our Foreign Secretary asking for placard wavers.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/common...AleppoAndSyria

Boris Johnson

I listened to all the speeches that made the point that there is no commensurate horror among some of the anti-war protest groups, and I agree with the right hon. Member for Cynon Valley: I would certainly like to see demonstrations outside the Russian embassy. Where is the Stop the War coalition at the moment?
Very unfortunate comment esp when made by someone in his position but I feel he was getting at the usual domestic suspects.
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I hope they don't kick off soon as we are about to start a new caption comp.

Seen this horse crock?

Vladimir Putin's ally: US must vote Donald Trump of face all out nuclear war | World | News | Daily Express
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:59
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i think the daily express could do with a spell working under Vlads rules and then they might find out what peddling Lies and sensationalism (as seen from the authoritative point of view of course) every day for years

What their motivation is god alone knows
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What their motivation is god alone knows
Simple.

The bigger the story the bigger the coverage the bigger the sales the bigger the profit the bigger the glory for Our Wonderful "news"paper.

And nuclear war is about the biggest event they can think of, so dimwitted journos crave it because it might just be them that files that first heroic scoop report at ground zero, just before the flash...
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Notice the similarity in photos in the article?
Two loudmouth, thuggish bullies, in both instances pointing fingers.
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HRC in the last debate publicly called for enforcing NFZ in Syria which would mean direct military confrontation with Russia (if you know any other way of enforcing NFZ please let me know).

When you have presidential candidate likely to win election announce something like that how could you not be worried?!
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One more example how paranoid interpretations (I mean mentioning WW3) from paperback press generate unnecessary fears and panic.

The issue is that it was found out that kids of some diplomats and other servants of the regime abroad were attending foreign schools and not the ones inside the embassy perimeter. The obvious goal of those parents is to later bring them to the universities and then find jobs there. Moscow bosses found it inconsistent when the fathers publicly condemn "blood thursty uncle Sam and his European vassal licking his boots" and in parallel trying to arrange for a hideaway for their kids in the countries being blamed. I do not like all those folks, but at least this position is consistent. I would be very surprised to learn that children of high-ranked offices in the US embassy in Moscow attend regular (or even elite) Russian schools.

The whole thing concerns a few hundreds of bureaucrats and their family members. So, what's the buzz, what the hell WW3?
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Perhaps it's because they know of terrorist cowards plotting against the embassy families and their children?

I can't feel much support for the US in Syria. Attempting regime change by assisting known terrorist groups opposing al-Assad - what a great strategy that's proving to be.
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If this is correct it's not going to help at all.

Pro-Russian rebels shoot down helicopter 'with NATO officials on board' over rebel-held eastern Ukraine - Mirror Online

"The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic's (DPR) ministry of defence claims the chopper was downed over rebel held territory of Krasnogorovka, in Donetsk, on October 12.

It was revealed on October 13 that a Ukrainian helicopter had allegedly attempted to attack on separatist militia positions, and was shot down.

Spokesperson for the pro-Russia rebel group, Eduard Basurin, today claimed several NATO military officials were on board the aircraft, Russian news agency TASS reported.

It is currently unclear whether there were any casualties.

We'll be bringing you the very latest updates, pictures and video on this breaking news story."

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If this is correct
FFS, are you joking? This is from the DPR, they kill 'NATO' troops, tanks etc. all the time.
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When I read the thread title about Russian posturing, I thought it meant this:

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Umm, yeah.
You can tell by the masterful way he's trying to hold the reins that he's really in control of things, eh?
Is he still an 'A' cup or should we send him a bigger size this Christmas?
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Russian carrier task force left Severomorsk this morning (15th October) bound for the Mediterranean. Noted leaving on the Severomorsk webcam.

Should still be available on the 24 hour playback.

https://www.lookr.com/lookout/1452449401-Severomorsk

https://www.webkams.com/russia/murma...romorsk/334345

Image from 14th October showing Admiral Kuznetsov with MiG-29K Fulcrum D and the usual Su-33 Flanker D. More than likely Russian Navy Ka-52K attack helos will be onboard?



The support tug Nikolay Chiker is currently on AIS. Task Force going down the Norwegian coast.

69.89074N 14.44927E as of 16 GMT

Map Link

https://goo.gl/maps/xG42tj7T7zE2

Vessel details for: NIKOLAY CHIKER (Tug) - IMO 8613334, MMSI 273531629, Call Sign RAL 48 Registered in Russia | AIS Marine Traffic
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Image from Severomorsk on the 14th October showing task force. Kuznetsov with destroyer Severomorsk and cruiser Peter the Great. Tanker likely Osipov?

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Well, at least, QRA will know when and where to go thanks to the Internet and AIS. Plenty of time for a sh*t, shave and haircut.

Naval intelligence can take the weekend off too.

These are just ships on 'their lawful occasions'. No need to panic and feed a newspaper frenzy.

As for the recall of families etc I vote with BEagles view on things . Drama it ain't, sensible it is.
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Perhaps they are joining in with Joint Warrior!
 


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