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Old 30th Jan 2017, 07:20
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Turkey warns Germany not to accept soldiers' asylum claims - POLITICO

Ankara has called on Berlin to deny asylum to members of the Turkish military in the wake of the country’s failed July coup, German media reported Monday. German authorities “are absolutely not allowed to accept these asylum requests,” Turkish Defense Minister Fikri Işık said in a video published by Turkish state-run news agency Anadolu.

The comments came after German media reported over the weekend that at least 40 Turkish NATO soldiers, most high-ranking, had applied for asylum in Germany. The interior and migration ministries said the requests would be treated according to regular processes.

“For a country such as Germany, which has strong cultural, social and political ties with Turkey, it would be deeply unacceptable to grant protection,” Işık said, adding that he expected Germany to reject all asylum claims made by Turkish soldiers on the grounds they are suspected of involvement in the attempted coup.

Earlier this month, Germany announced it would stop cooperating with Turkish judicial authorities on criminal matters over concerns the country is misusing the process for political means in the wake of the coup.

Turkey last week threatened to back out of its migration deal with the European Union after Greece refused to extradite soldiers on Ankara’s request.
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Not much of an asylum system if it requires the permission of the state you are avoiding. If anything this demand from Ankara has provided all the evidence required for a successful asylum application.
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As has happened in Greece, much to Turkey’s ire.
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“For a country such as Germany, which has strong cultural, social and political ties with Turkey, ..."
1. Cultural ... we both used to goose-step.
2. Social ... Germany is already full of Turkish gastarbeitern.
3. Political ... we both have many political parties, some of which are banned?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 07:00
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Norway grants asylum to Turkish coup officers | World | The Times & The Sunday Times

Five Turkish military officers have been granted asylum in Norway, the first to be given refugee status since the failed military coup last July. Four of the officers had been posted at a Nato educational base in Norway while the fifth was a military attaché. After the attempted coup they were suspended and recalled to Turkey but instead claimed asylum.

About 260 Turkish Nato officers have been suspended in President Erdogan’s sweeping purge of the armed forces since the failed revolt. All of those who have returned to Turkey as ordered have been arrested on arrival and are being detained in prison. Others have remained and are applying for asylum. Germany and Belgium have also received asylum applications from sacked Turkish officers.

The Norwegian decision has infuriated the Turkish government. Numan Kurtulmus, the Turkish deputy prime minister, said: “It’s not possible to accept this. This is wrong. This means protecting and defending this gang known as Feto [the Gulenist movement, the group accused of organising the coup attempt].”

A 2,700-page indictment filed by the Turkish state against the alleged coup plotters claims that 8,651 military personnel, or 1.5 per cent of the armed forces, were involved. Critics say that dismissals and arrests in the post-coup crackdown have gone way beyond those suspected of Gulenist links to ensnare all of Mr Erdogan’s opponents, from secular nationalists to leftwing Kurds. More than half of Turkish generals and admirals have been dismissed, and in many cases arrested, since July. The first trials of troops accused of involvement in the coup began last month.

A total of 89 Turkish citizens applied for asylum in Norway last year, all but 13 of them after the coup attempt..........
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Ahmet Sik attacks Erdogan’s ‘dirty crime dynasty’

An opposition journalist standing trial on terrorism charges in Turkey has delivered a searing attack on President Erdogan and his government. On the third day of the hearing against 12 journalists and five board members at Cumhuriyet, the left-leaning, secularist newspaper, Ahmet Sik said:

“Those who think that this dirty system, this crime dynasty, will last for ever are wrong. Like all the dictatorships that darken the pages of history, those who toil to progress with the insatiable hunger of their hates and ambitions, always prepare their own ends. I was a journalist yesterday. I am a journalist today. I will continue practising journalism tomorrow. That means the irreconcilable contradiction between us and those who want to strangle the truth will never end.”

The investigative reporter was jailed for a year in 2011 for his exposé of the Gulenists, followers of Fethullah Gulen, a charismatic Islamic cleric who worked their way into influential state positions. At that time Mr Erdogan was prime minister and in a loose alliance with the Gulenists. The relationship crumbled in 2013 and he declared war on his old allies. He blamed the academic for last year’s attempted coup. Since then, the government has closed businesses and schools linked to the Gulenists and purged the police and judiciary. More than 150,000 people have been arrested or fired from the bureaucracy, security services and academia. The media has also been cauterised: 177 journalists are in jail and 149 media outlets have been closed down.

Mr Sik and his colleagues are accused of helping the Gulenists and the banned Kurdish PKK militia. The verdict will be decided solely by the judge. The prosecutor who brought the case against the newspaper was himself later charged with aiding the Gulenists.
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Interesting. Real politique and all that, but since when has an appeal court been able to overrule a Supreme Court? The clue being in the name of the court so to speak. And even the “appeal court” seems blatantly to acknowledge it is acting politically and not on a matter of law. One wonders if the ECJ will act - or ignore?

The EU would seem much more interested in acting against Poland and Hungary however....

Greek court suspends asylum for alleged Turkish coup collaborator

A Greek court has suspended asylum for a Turkish pilot because the judge said that offering him a haven would endanger relations with Ankara..... Mr Ozkaynakci was detained after the ruling, which the authorities said would protect him from assassination or kidnapping.

The eight men, who hijacked a military helicopter after the failed coup against President Erdogan and fled to northern Greece, are at the centre of ill-tempered diplomatic wrangling. The supreme court in Greece blocked their extradition last year and last week they won asylum.

However, the Greek government, under threat of dire repercussions from Turkey unless the men are sent back, has begun to change its tune. Alexis Tsipras, the prime minister, ordered the men’s asylum to be rescinded hours after it was granted.....

Yesterday an appeals tribunal in Athens froze last week’s supreme court decision, saying that granting asylum “imperils the state’s interests, endangering Greece’s relations with Turkey”.....
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not everyone is blessed with the US Constitution

Different countries, different constitutions

hell- we don't even have one - we can (and do) make it up as we go along......... that was one of the big things for BREXITEERS - they hated being "ruled" by judges and a proto-European system of Justice
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Don’t need one - Common Law in that respect is superior to Civil Law.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 11:25
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I have a number of friends who continue to holiday in Turkey. My suggestion that they stop helping to prop up Erdogan's regime sadly falls on deaf ears.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 19:49
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...rces-s0ls2bd9n

Recep Tayyip Erdogan seizes control of Turkish special forces

Thousands of elite police divisions charged with counterterror operations are to be taken under President Erdogan’s direct command, further eroding the independence of the security forces in Turkey.

The special police and gendarmerie units have led operations against Kurdish militants in eastern Turkey and northern Syria since 2015, and are armed with sub-machine guns and sniper rifles. They have been under the control of the interior and defence ministries since they were formed in 1982. The gendarmerie, charged with security operations in rural areas, was taken out of the army command structure and brought under the control of the interior ministry under an emergency decree shortly after the failed coup in 2016.

A new order published this morning takes both special forces units under the direct command of the presidency.

Police special forces were on the front line of the government’s fightback against the coup-makers in July 2016, and their headquarters in Ankara were bombed by rogue fighter pilots. Since then their numbers have soared as the government has opened up tens of thousands of new positions. The combined number of police and gendarmerie special forces is expected to reach 50,000 this year, up from 20,000 in 2016......

Before that, however, sources close to the military were expressing concern over the rapid expansion of the special forces and their closeness to Mr Erdogan.

The police special forces recruits are selected from the ranks of the regular police, and are trained by a private military company called Sadat. It is headed by Adnan Tanriverdi, a former Turkish general who was forced into early retirement in the 1990s due to his suspected Islamist sympathies. Mr Tanriverdi was appointed one of Mr Erdogan’s special advisers two weeks after the coup attempt.......

Similar orders have been used to sack 160,000 public sector workers and to round up those suspected of involvement. More than 232,000 people are behind bars in connection with the putsch, most of them in pre-trial detention. Only 50,000 have been formally charged.

Turkey’s mounting instability and crumbling rule of law has sent the lira into a tailspin a month before key elections, losing more than a fifth of its value against the pound and the dollar since the start of this year. A fresh slide was prompted last night by a statement from the ratings agency Fitch, who warned of further damage to Turkey’s credit profile due to the “undermining of policy-making credibility”.

Mr Erdogan has repeatedly stated that he will take full control of monetary policy, leading foreign investors to pull out of Turkish bonds and stocks.





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http://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/...l-with-turkey/

Why are US drones being based in Greece for the first time?

WASHINGTON – .......The U.S. Air Force has begun using MQ-9 Reaper drones out of Larisa Air Force Base, located halfway down Greece’s eastern side, near the Aegean Sea. In response to an inquiry from Defense News, Pentagon spokesman Eric Pahon said the aircraft are being temporarily stationed at Larisa while their usual base in Africa undergoes repairs. The news was first reported locally by the To Vima newspaper in Greece.

“These aircraft are unarmed and are only used for reconnaissance. Due to operational security considerations, however, we do not release details on specific missions,” Pahon said. “Its support on this mission and others is critical to achieving our joint foreign policy security objectives in the region, specifically to address threats emanating from the south.”

The drones are being stationed at Larisa under the aegis of an existing joint training order between the two nations. Staff handling the take-off and landing of the Reapers will be stationed at Larisa, with operators in the continental U.S. handling normal flight operations via satellite — a common set-up for the MQ-9. The aircraft only fly through Greek airspace ”on routes that have been approved by the Greece government and while operating in Greek airspace are in contact with Greek Air Traffic Control authorities at all times,” said Auburn Davis, chief of media operations for USAF Air Forces Africa.......

While the mission of the MQ-9s stationed at Greece will be focused southward, the move has potential to upset America’s NATO ally Turkey. The U.S. has long relied on the Incirlik military base to launch operations in the region, but the relationship between Washington and Ankara has been strained ever since a 2016 coup attempt by members of the Turkish military.

Greece would certainly like to capitalize on that tensions. Notably, the initial To Vima report also claims that U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Wes Mitchell discussed moving a “significant portion” of the military presence from Incirlik to Greece during a recent visit to Athens........




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Over some years it would seem that Turkey has been a somewhat on-off, and lukewarm ally to both NATO and the US.

It’s human rights record both historically and to the present day are pretty abysmal. The enthusiasm with which a substantial portion of the Turkish population took part in the Armenian genocide was pretty sobering as is the present reluctance of modern Turkey to deal with it’s recent past in this particular regard.

It’s rather too warm and cosy relationship with daesh in the early stages of that dystopian organisations rise to power was definitely concerning.

It’s slide to more militant Islam is hardly reassuring and it's latest AA missile deal with Moscow positively alarming given it’s standing in the F-35 project. Alarm bell have been ringing over Turkey’s position in the F-35 program, and it is still very much a dilemma that is being scrutinised.

The EU negotiated a rather flawed and one sided refugee deal with Turkey, and Turkey has long pressed for the EU membership part, which, given it’s present human rights violations, still remains undecided.

Erdogan is a cunning bully and his ongoing consolidation power is in a manner which is all too reminiscent of some of the more unsavoury modern day dictators that have held power in recent times.

The US has long been at odds with Turkey/Erdogan’s policies and decisions, and a re-balancing of it’s position with certain NATO ‘allies’ is probably about time.
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Originally Posted by Brat
Over some years it would seem that Turkey has been a somewhat on-off, and lukewarm ally to both NATO and the US.

It’s human rights record both historically and to the present day are pretty abysmal. The enthusiasm with which a substantial portion of the Turkish population took part in the Armenian genocide was pretty sobering as is the present reluctance of modern Turkey to deal with it’s recent past in this particular regard.

It’s rather too warm and cosy relationship with daesh in the early stages of that dystopian organisations rise to power was definitely concerning.

It’s slide to more militant Islam is hardly reassuring and it's latest AA missile deal with Moscow positively alarming given it’s standing in the F-35 project. Alarm bell have been ringing over Turkey’s position in the F-35 program, and it is still very much a dilemma that is being scrutinised.

The EU negotiated a rather flawed and one sided refugee deal with Turkey, and Turkey has long pressed for the EU membership part, which, given it’s present human rights violations, still remains undecided.

Erdogan is a cunning bully and his ongoing consolidation power is in a manner which is all too reminiscent of some of the more unsavoury modern day dictators that have held power in recent times.

The US has long been at odds with Turkey/Erdogan’s policies and decisions, and a re-balancing of it’s position with certain NATO ‘allies’ is probably about time.
Turkey, which is where I am now, and the words "militant Islam" are a ridiculous combination. I wonder if I can be bothered to say any more really. Turks are divided and the split is almost exactly similar in character to the splits you get in countries like the UK right now or in America with the Trump supporters - it's about the fight between classes and the issues are just the weapons being used. Reasons and logic don't work because it's a sort of tribal battle not an issues battle (exactly like in the west). A bunch of conservative ex-country-bumpkins elect people who talk about religion and all the things they like and city snowflake liberals can bugger off kind of thing. Nobody has to behave consistently as long as they shout out "down with Israel" loudly they can get away with doing deals with Israel in private, drinking beer and getting on with their dodgy property deals.
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Apart from the current quarter if a million rounded up and put behind bars - and including anyone who speaks a bit too publically against President for Life (a forecast) Erdogan......
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just back from IST
had a great weekend - despite the President closing all the roads in the centre and around his Dolmabahce Palace as he was hosting a summit on jerusalem there with much of the arabs hobnobs - almost 3 hours it took in traffic from the airport to my hotel which was near the Palace - 2 big warships were anchored off in the Bosphorus across from the Palace during the summit Fri and Sat

my pal is a top wealthy businessman there with a factory employing 300 in superb conditions - they have a pool and a gym for the staff
he is very worried by what's going on - very worried indeed, as are all the middle and upper classes who want to live and work in a normal very westernised secuallar civilized existence with a normal society as they have been really since Ataturk

go to any cafe in IST or a restaurant and you could be in Barcelona New York or London

it seems Erdogan is popular with the ''people'' but is power grabbing in a rather alarming way as noted above

My pal is so worried he wants to sell up and get out as do many of his friends
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If people stopped holidaying in Turkey - there are plenty of other places - that would help put Erdogan and his cronies under pressure
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If people stopped holidaying in Turkey - there are plenty of other places - that would help put Erdogan and his cronies under pressure
they have - there are no western tourists in any number seen now in IST and the beach resorts Bodrum,kusadasi etc saw last summer record lows in bookings from UK and EU - discounting heavily on packages

Cruise liners have stayed away but are just returning in small number this year but none have been into IST for some time now
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If it's all about human rights issue (suppressed by Erdogan, no doubt), then for consistency similar actions should be taken towards other similar regimes. And compared with Qatar, Saudi Arabia and even UAE, Erdogan & Co. are ultra-liberals So, what about stop buying in Harrods in London (owned by a Qatari royal family, who, BTW, were planning to remove the Diana's statue out of the building this spring)? What about boycotting football matches of Manchester City (owned by a guy from UAE) or Sheffield United (a Saudi prince) or PSG (a guy from Qatar)?
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If it's all about human rights issue (suppressed by Erdogan, no doubt), then for consistency similar actions should be taken towards other similar regimes. And compared with Qatar, Saudi Arabia and even UAE, Erdogan & Co. are ultra-liberals So, what about stop buying in Harrods in London (owned by a Qatari royal family, who, BTW, were planning to remove the Diana's statue out of the building this spring)? What about boycotting football matches of Manchester City (owned by a guy from UAE) or Sheffield United (a Saudi prince) or PSG (a guy from Qatar)?
It's more likely to be about a regression away from the liberties achieved by the expression of Human Rights. The countries you mention are progressing, slowly, towards allowing Human Rights Turkey is retreating from them.

Have you seen the statue in Harrods? It is dire.
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