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"ISTANBUL ―Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan landed at Istanbul’s Ataturk airport Saturday morning and declared the attempted coup against his government to be a failure, but also a “gift from God.”
Thank GOD [see what I did there] for Brextit.
Thank GOD [see what I did there] for Brextit.
Glad I was reading this thread. Learned a few things that disturb me.
That we still have tactical nukes in Europe, and in Turkey, bugs me. That their number and location are apparently known and bandied about in the open press angers me.
What the heck happened to OPSEC?
As to Incirlik, this dubious "connection" between an exile and the NATO base is a naked bit of political skullduggery. Smells a bit of the Iran Embassy line in 1979.
No further comment, very concerned.
Under the plan, nearly 200 B61 gravity bombs stockpiled in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Turkey would be given new tail fins that would turn them into guided weapons that could be delivered by stealth F35 fighter-bombers.
What the heck happened to OPSEC?
As to Incirlik, this dubious "connection" between an exile and the NATO base is a naked bit of political skullduggery. Smells a bit of the Iran Embassy line in 1979.
No further comment, very concerned.
And they want to join the EU....................
Turkey's uprising leaders land a helicopter in Greece and seek asylum | Daily Mail Online
So send them back to get killed.. 
The beheaded guy appears in those shots to be still alive
Greece claimed it would have to consider international laws before returning them, although it promised to send the helicopter back.
However, Mevlut Cavusoglu has said that Greece has now promised to return the 'treacherous soldiers' to be punished in Turkey.
The news comes after Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildrim said the nation would consider bringing back the death penalty to deal with them, after it was abolished in 2004
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However, Mevlut Cavusoglu has said that Greece has now promised to return the 'treacherous soldiers' to be punished in Turkey.
The news comes after Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildrim said the nation would consider bringing back the death penalty to deal with them, after it was abolished in 2004
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4EbD2V8Dq
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That's an occupational hazard associated with staging a coup. They surely had to consider the repercussions of a failed attempt. If not, it serves as a cautionary tale for the next group mulling an uprising.
Not exactly what you expect from a fellow NATO country though, I would imagine a lot were simple Conscripts lead like lambs to the slaughter, the majority had already shown by their actions their reluctance to attack their countrymen and that their heart wasn't in it by handing over their weapons. It is just disgusting that they were not protected by the police who they surrendered their arms too.
Off Topic - US Controlled B-61 Security
Lonewolf,
The sites at which these weapons are held has been common public knowledge in Europe (to locals living near the air bases) ever since they were deployed. In the days before Hardened Aircraft Shelters (HASs) were built - before mid-1970s - all those NATO countries allocated US controlled tactical nukes mounted QRA (N) from open ended dutch barns - illuminated at night - with the weapons clearly visible on those aircraft types that carried them externally.
From 1995 they have all been held within Weapon Storage & Security System (WS3) vaults which retract into the floor of individual HASs. Full scale trials were done by the USAF bombing a HAS which destroyed the aircraft inside yet, when raised, the WS3 and dummy weapons were not in any way harmed.
It is in the public domain - in an article published in 2015 by the Federation of American Scientists - that significant upgrades are being carried out to security at Incirlik and Aviano.
Five NATO countries - Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Turkey - still participate in the NATO Nuclear Sharing Program.
WS3:
The sites at which these weapons are held has been common public knowledge in Europe (to locals living near the air bases) ever since they were deployed. In the days before Hardened Aircraft Shelters (HASs) were built - before mid-1970s - all those NATO countries allocated US controlled tactical nukes mounted QRA (N) from open ended dutch barns - illuminated at night - with the weapons clearly visible on those aircraft types that carried them externally.
From 1995 they have all been held within Weapon Storage & Security System (WS3) vaults which retract into the floor of individual HASs. Full scale trials were done by the USAF bombing a HAS which destroyed the aircraft inside yet, when raised, the WS3 and dummy weapons were not in any way harmed.
It is in the public domain - in an article published in 2015 by the Federation of American Scientists - that significant upgrades are being carried out to security at Incirlik and Aviano.
Five NATO countries - Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Turkey - still participate in the NATO Nuclear Sharing Program.
WS3:
I read a story this morning claiming"dogfights" had broken out between jets from opposing factions during the coup??!!
I assume that is just hysterical and inaccurate reporting?
Or is there some basis to this?
I assume that is just hysterical and inaccurate reporting?
Or is there some basis to this?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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..."Joining the echo of the calls to prayers were the loud noises of military jets flying over Istanbul skies. The combination of these sounds made me think that yes, these were the sounds of the funeral of free speech, critical thinking, and any other remnants of liberal democratic process in Turkey. I realized in fear and agony that whether the coup was successful or not, one thing was certain: there would no longer be room in Turkey for people who can listen, read, analyze, and think critically. With the siren-like echoes of calls to prayer and military jets, Turkey was becoming a land only for true believers.
This did not happen suddenly. With the crackdown on media, academic freedoms, random arrests, and the increasing violence in the southeast provinces, citizens in Turkey have been facing major limitations on their basic freedoms for the past few years. The attempted coup d'état of July 15 is like the last nail in the coffin. Lying dead in the coffin was the courage to use one’s own understanding (as in Sapere Aude) that relentlessly resisted the rising tide of categorical thinking typical of true believers."........
..."Joining the echo of the calls to prayers were the loud noises of military jets flying over Istanbul skies. The combination of these sounds made me think that yes, these were the sounds of the funeral of free speech, critical thinking, and any other remnants of liberal democratic process in Turkey. I realized in fear and agony that whether the coup was successful or not, one thing was certain: there would no longer be room in Turkey for people who can listen, read, analyze, and think critically. With the siren-like echoes of calls to prayer and military jets, Turkey was becoming a land only for true believers.
This did not happen suddenly. With the crackdown on media, academic freedoms, random arrests, and the increasing violence in the southeast provinces, citizens in Turkey have been facing major limitations on their basic freedoms for the past few years. The attempted coup d'état of July 15 is like the last nail in the coffin. Lying dead in the coffin was the courage to use one’s own understanding (as in Sapere Aude) that relentlessly resisted the rising tide of categorical thinking typical of true believers."........
Well this makes interesting reading
At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights | Reuters
At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights | Reuters
At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.
The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.
The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.
Fighter jets taking off from another air base at Eskisehir, west of Ankara, were scrambled to bomb Akinci and try to stop the rebels. However, the rogue aircraft were able to keep flying through the night by refueling mid-air after a tanker plane was commandeered, the first senior official said.
The tanker aircraft was taken from the Incirlik air base in southern Turkey, which is used by the U.S.-led coalition to bomb Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. The commander of Incirlik was detained on Sunday for complicity, the official said.
The tanker aircraft was taken from the Incirlik air base in southern Turkey, which is used by the U.S.-led coalition to bomb Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. The commander of Incirlik was detained on Sunday for complicity, the official said.
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..."Joining the echo of the calls to prayers were the loud noises of military jets flying over Istanbul skies. The combination of these sounds made me think that yes, these were the sounds of the funeral of free speech, critical thinking, and any other remnants of liberal democratic process in Turkey. I realized in fear and agony that whether the coup was successful or not, one thing was certain: there would no longer be room in Turkey for people who can listen, read, analyze, and think critically. With the siren-like echoes of calls to prayer and military jets, Turkey was becoming a land only for true believers.
This did not happen suddenly. With the crackdown on media, academic freedoms, random arrests, and the increasing violence in the southeast provinces, citizens in Turkey have been facing major limitations on their basic freedoms for the past few years. The attempted coup d'état of July 15 is like the last nail in the coffin. Lying dead in the coffin was the courage to use one’s own understanding (as in Sapere Aude) that relentlessly resisted the rising tide of categorical thinking typical of true believers."........
..."Joining the echo of the calls to prayers were the loud noises of military jets flying over Istanbul skies. The combination of these sounds made me think that yes, these were the sounds of the funeral of free speech, critical thinking, and any other remnants of liberal democratic process in Turkey. I realized in fear and agony that whether the coup was successful or not, one thing was certain: there would no longer be room in Turkey for people who can listen, read, analyze, and think critically. With the siren-like echoes of calls to prayer and military jets, Turkey was becoming a land only for true believers.
This did not happen suddenly. With the crackdown on media, academic freedoms, random arrests, and the increasing violence in the southeast provinces, citizens in Turkey have been facing major limitations on their basic freedoms for the past few years. The attempted coup d'état of July 15 is like the last nail in the coffin. Lying dead in the coffin was the courage to use one’s own understanding (as in Sapere Aude) that relentlessly resisted the rising tide of categorical thinking typical of true believers."........
The Islamism of the National Outlook Movement (Milli GörüSHareketi), led by Necmettin Erbakan, embraced an anti-Western/European stanceand championed an orthodox conception of Islam from the 1970s to the 1990s. Although the prominent founders of the AKP emerged from this pro-Islamic movement, they learned the "limitation of Islamic politics" from the military's intervention during the February 28 postmodern coup. Subsequently, they departed from the National Outlook Movement, referring to themselves as the "innovators" and by embracing a liberal conception of Islam instead.
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Is it just me or did Mr Kerry get the tone wrong with his lecture to Turkey on the importance of democratic institutions. I can imagine what's perceived as hectoring going down badly in Ankara right now and possibly having the reverse of the intended effect.
I doubt they pay much attention to anything he says.
For those among you who have worked with the Turkish Armed Forces what impact would have on moral of the Turkish Forces and how the remaining staff would react/ what they would do to earn back their self-respect?
