No aerobatics by Red Arrows at Farnborough!
sorry can't see the irony or sarcasm in a total failing of the system through blatant lack of spine in the chain of command or idiocy in the PIC.
Suggest you might need to get your sarcasm and / or irony alert tuned in the bay. for comments about { insert usaf type } mistakenly flying over { insert british airfield near the display airfield} highlighting how dumb my USAF brothers are - feel free to knock yourself out, it is an open goal.
Suggest you might need to get your sarcasm and / or irony alert tuned in the bay. for comments about { insert usaf type } mistakenly flying over { insert british airfield near the display airfield} highlighting how dumb my USAF brothers are - feel free to knock yourself out, it is an open goal.
I see the journalists are bang up to date with their terminology as usual. Today's Times is talking about the Red Arrows not performing "stunts" at this year's air show, because the Hunter failed to pull out of a "loop-the-loop" at Shoreham.
Seems that journalese is firmly stuck somewhere in the 1920s!
Seems that journalese is firmly stuck somewhere in the 1920s!
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Nutloose, no. The RAF commentator meant, no longer appropriate at a location such as Farnborough. The built-up area and surrounding public areas, including roads and parks etc, make the CAA exclusion requirements post-Shoreham too restrictive for the Red Arrows. Other jets can and will display but the Reds are still always more risky due to their routine and sheer numbers.
Death knell for the Reds (and other big display teams) at Farnborough? Probably, but Farnborough is but one of a number of Airshows.
Death knell for the Reds (and other big display teams) at Farnborough? Probably, but Farnborough is but one of a number of Airshows.
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Old jets are the target of the new rules. The Reds fly old jets. I wasn't the only one to see this coming. Trouble is that there is no money to buy them some new ones, unlike the Blades, whose display has gone down the pan since they got big aerobatic raceplanes instead of the little nimble RVs in which they gave breathtaking displays.
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Well that's because the average press has no idea about these things 9 times out of 10. Should we be surprised? Like the news broadcasters that wheel out the same old farts to talk their "expertise" each time and those often get it wrong. Some of the coverage in the immediate aftermath of Shoreham saw some classic examples of poorly informed "experts" spouting nonsense.
WellI think this is the thin end of the wedge given all the previous comments and quotes about the fate of the reds. Also i dont think the airfield owners especially love the show and its two weeks of disruption to transportation of the rich and the probably crooked in their personal airliners and biz jets. thse peopel are of course very influential.
Farnborough of course is literlaly in the middle of a town and while very built up to the east and north it is very open to the west. Much like neighbouring Camberley , where I live. also open to the West as thats Blackbushe of B 52 fame. Camberley isnt affected by the show except the singleton Reds do zip around over the town while reforming up.
Also with lots of Easterly ops this year perhaps those in control are afraid of the Reds doing some of their 'take off end' stunts over the town instead of over Laffans plain.
So some reasons that 'stand up in court' but equally not really that strong as to shut down an iconic bit of aviation. My fear is that it will be the excuse to simplify other displays except those over the see and leading on from that shut the team down as its 'no longer economic for the limit use it gets'
Farnborough of course is literlaly in the middle of a town and while very built up to the east and north it is very open to the west. Much like neighbouring Camberley , where I live. also open to the West as thats Blackbushe of B 52 fame. Camberley isnt affected by the show except the singleton Reds do zip around over the town while reforming up.
Also with lots of Easterly ops this year perhaps those in control are afraid of the Reds doing some of their 'take off end' stunts over the town instead of over Laffans plain.
So some reasons that 'stand up in court' but equally not really that strong as to shut down an iconic bit of aviation. My fear is that it will be the excuse to simplify other displays except those over the see and leading on from that shut the team down as its 'no longer economic for the limit use it gets'
Just reading in the local (Swindon) rag that the Reds will not be displaying at RIAT this year, due to restrictions on their display after Shoreham. I'm never totally convinced by news articles, anyone else heard anything re RIAT and the Reds, or lack of them ?
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jeez these posts are so predictable, full of the usual "when I was" rubbish.
This decision by RAFAT is a genuine watermark which encapsulates much of what is wrong with this country!
In our rush for economic growth we develop every available spot of land, without any thought for the wider consequences.
I fear for the younger generation who will have to live like with the consequences of our generations greed.
This decision by RAFAT is a genuine watermark which encapsulates much of what is wrong with this country!
In our rush for economic growth we develop every available spot of land, without any thought for the wider consequences.
I fear for the younger generation who will have to live like with the consequences of our generations greed.
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Predictable yes, but your statement about economic growth and development is not relevant. Farnborough was as developed last year and for that matter the last decade as it is today.
Shoreham was the gamechanger, however rather than evolve and adapt, we've gone for the all too familiar H&S first approach and banned aerobatics, just like we banned handguns after Hungerford, which as we've been sadly reminded of today didn't work.
You can't or shouldn't legislate for aberrant behaviour, just as you cannot eliminate risk, you can manage it however.
Having said that, someone with influence needs to grow a pair and make some decisions based on what the majority want.
The public are aware of the risks at airshows and can vote with their feet, I believe that the Reds being restricted to flypasts will keep more people away than the perceived safety risks.
Predictable yes, but your statement about economic growth and development is not relevant. Farnborough was as developed last year and for that matter the last decade as it is today.
Shoreham was the gamechanger, however rather than evolve and adapt, we've gone for the all too familiar H&S first approach and banned aerobatics, just like we banned handguns after Hungerford, which as we've been sadly reminded of today didn't work.
You can't or shouldn't legislate for aberrant behaviour, just as you cannot eliminate risk, you can manage it however.
Having said that, someone with influence needs to grow a pair and make some decisions based on what the majority want.
The public are aware of the risks at airshows and can vote with their feet, I believe that the Reds being restricted to flypasts will keep more people away than the perceived safety risks.
Hi MSOCS
Not relaly sure what you were gettign at -except that being a confirmed cynic motivational speaking wouldn't motivate me nor in my mind should it motivate anyone unless its to get them to think.
But I am Pax britanica and oddly the enough there is another regular poster who is pax Brittanica with the two Ts
For the avoidance of doubt i think it is desperately sad to lose the Reds at FNB because the Govt would love an excuse to dump them without a huge public outcry and this has the fingerprints of news management as a policy enabler all over it
And oddly enough I have done some motivational speaking for companies and told i am pretty good at it
Not relaly sure what you were gettign at -except that being a confirmed cynic motivational speaking wouldn't motivate me nor in my mind should it motivate anyone unless its to get them to think.
But I am Pax britanica and oddly the enough there is another regular poster who is pax Brittanica with the two Ts
For the avoidance of doubt i think it is desperately sad to lose the Reds at FNB because the Govt would love an excuse to dump them without a huge public outcry and this has the fingerprints of news management as a policy enabler all over it
And oddly enough I have done some motivational speaking for companies and told i am pretty good at it
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You can't or shouldn't legislate for aberrant behaviour, just as you cannot eliminate risk, you can manage it however.
Having said that, someone with influence needs to grow a pair and make some decisions based on what the majority want.
Having said that, someone with influence needs to grow a pair and make some decisions based on what the majority want.
The restrictions are about more than keeping the fans away.
People with no interest in aviation can be killed on the main road, like at Shoreham. So, just because a majority of visitors to the area want to see high energy displays, the RAF can't be seen to be risking the lives of the locals who are not so keen.
