No aerobatics by Red Arrows at Farnborough!
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Attending Farnborough even on a trade day as I did, is not for the faint-hearted these days. The flying displays are pretty so-so, you end up walking MILES and queuing for ages - as you do if you've come by car.
Attending Farnborough even on a trade day as I did, is not for the faint-hearted these days. The flying displays are pretty so-so, you end up walking MILES and queuing for ages - as you do if you've come by car.
Great aviation health and safety conversations from the past that unfortunately did not happen.
"I'm sorry Colonel Holland, but you are a disaster waiting to happen - you're grounded"
The RAF Officers' Mess at Farnborough was the No1 Mess of the Royal Air Force and copied from the Indian Army mess at Poona, hence the covered walkways and storm drains. I have many happy memories of living there , including helping hosting two "Farnboroughs" ( '70,'72) whilst doing project work at the RAF Institute of Aviation Medicine. Very different organisations from the RAE, with which there would appear to be some confusion.
I subsequently had the joys and delights of manning trade stands at three "Farnboroughs" whilst in industry. No comparison.
I subsequently had the joys and delights of manning trade stands at three "Farnboroughs" whilst in industry. No comparison.
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CFM56 engines British designed and built are they? Not many people know that...The US Govt might be interested though.
Messier Bugatti Dowty (undercarriage) British, are they? OK, they're big in Gloucester but by no means all British or anywhere close to it.
UK has a larger aerospace industry than France/Germany Airbus? Does it?
Messier Bugatti Dowty (undercarriage) British, are they? OK, they're big in Gloucester but by no means all British or anywhere close to it.
UK has a larger aerospace industry than France/Germany Airbus? Does it?
In terms of aerospace exports, the UK was 4th in the world in 2015 - way behind Germany and France as one would expect from current programs.
International Trade Centre figures for 2015:
1. USA - 131.1 Billion USD
2. France - 54.0 Billion USD
3. Germany - 34.3 Billion USD
4. UK - 18.9 Billion USD
5. Canada - 12.3 Billion USD
Top Aircraft, Space Craft, And Aeronautics Parts Export Countries - WorldAtlas.com
International Trade Centre figures for 2015:
1. USA - 131.1 Billion USD
2. France - 54.0 Billion USD
3. Germany - 34.3 Billion USD
4. UK - 18.9 Billion USD
5. Canada - 12.3 Billion USD
Top Aircraft, Space Craft, And Aeronautics Parts Export Countries - WorldAtlas.com
Getting back to the original purpose of this thread (fancy that!), shouldn't all the cries of doom & gloom be held in abeyance until the details are actually announced sometime this week?
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Its official....
Red Arrows at Farnborough International Airshow 2016
Red Arrows at Farnborough International Airshow 2016
The Red Arrows will be flying at the Farnborough International Airshow and engaging with both adults and young people on all three days that are open to the general public.
However, the high speed and dynamic nature of the traditional Red Arrows' display is no longer appropriate due to the large amounts of local housing, business areas and major transport links underneath the planned display area.
In addition to the Red Arrows flypast with the new F35 Lightning II aircraft on 11 July, further Red Arrows flypasts in different formations are now planned for 15, 16 and 17 July. These additional flypasts, together with more exciting opportunities for the public to engage with the Red Arrows team on the ground, and other RAF air and ground displays, will ensure the Airshow remains a truly exciting, inspirational and entertaining family event.
For the remainder of the display season the Red Arrows are looking forward to displaying as usual at multiple events all over the UK and abroad.
However, the high speed and dynamic nature of the traditional Red Arrows' display is no longer appropriate due to the large amounts of local housing, business areas and major transport links underneath the planned display area.
In addition to the Red Arrows flypast with the new F35 Lightning II aircraft on 11 July, further Red Arrows flypasts in different formations are now planned for 15, 16 and 17 July. These additional flypasts, together with more exciting opportunities for the public to engage with the Red Arrows team on the ground, and other RAF air and ground displays, will ensure the Airshow remains a truly exciting, inspirational and entertaining family event.
For the remainder of the display season the Red Arrows are looking forward to displaying as usual at multiple events all over the UK and abroad.
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Thanks for that, NK.
Just love the second paragraph. Says it all, really.
And for clichéd copywriting .. "...other RAF air and ground displays, will ensure the Airshow remains a truly exciting, inspirational and entertaining family event."
Sorry ... FAIL.
Just love the second paragraph. Says it all, really.
And for clichéd copywriting .. "...other RAF air and ground displays, will ensure the Airshow remains a truly exciting, inspirational and entertaining family event."
Sorry ... FAIL.
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Agreed
The only positive in Spokane was that it was only the crew killed, although that price was far too high.....
There has to be some sensible middle ground, and "but we have always done it this way" is not a good enough justification
The only positive in Spokane was that it was only the crew killed, although that price was far too high.....
There has to be some sensible middle ground, and "but we have always done it this way" is not a good enough justification
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I would suggest that post Shoreham, operators have never been more conscious of safety, regulations and currency.
Given that the Red Arrows have displayed at Farnborough for decades and the safety reasons cited as regards built up areas, major infrastructure, etc have also been there for decades, this is more about the cost of insurance, maybe the insurers have declined to insure.
Clacton, Brighton,Bournemouth and all the other seaside shows hopefully will continue with full displays but even these aren't immune. Yacht 1 Reds 0!
Given that the Red Arrows have displayed at Farnborough for decades and the safety reasons cited as regards built up areas, major infrastructure, etc have also been there for decades, this is more about the cost of insurance, maybe the insurers have declined to insure.
Clacton, Brighton,Bournemouth and all the other seaside shows hopefully will continue with full displays but even these aren't immune. Yacht 1 Reds 0!
sorry can't see the irony or sarcasm in a total failing of the system through blatant lack of spine in the chain of command or idiocy in the PIC.
Suggest you might need to get your sarcasm and / or irony alert tuned in the bay. for comments about { insert usaf type } mistakenly flying over { insert british airfield near the display airfield} highlighting how dumb my USAF brothers are - feel free to knock yourself out, it is an open goal.
Suggest you might need to get your sarcasm and / or irony alert tuned in the bay. for comments about { insert usaf type } mistakenly flying over { insert british airfield near the display airfield} highlighting how dumb my USAF brothers are - feel free to knock yourself out, it is an open goal.
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You do wonder with all this you must contain and fly your display in a box xyz in size or face the consequences, whether those displaying will be distracted from what they are supposed to be doing.
BTW I enjoyed your post wageslave, made me laugh.
BTW I enjoyed your post wageslave, made me laugh.
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Red Arrows Farnborough aerobatic display scrapped - BBC News
Is that the death bell I can here tolling?
An RAF spokesperson said the "high speed and dynamic nature of the traditional Red Arrows' display is no longer appropriate".
Is that the death bell I can here tolling?
I don't think that Le Bourget is hemmed in on all sides by houses, etc? I could be wrong - have only ever experienced it from the train station side of town.
If not, perhaps they will have the space that is not available to the Reds at Farnborough? That, and the French make their own rules of course.
From Jane's - Red Arrows display at Farnborough to be curtailed because of safety fears | IHS Jane's 360
If not, perhaps they will have the space that is not available to the Reds at Farnborough? That, and the French make their own rules of course.
From Jane's - Red Arrows display at Farnborough to be curtailed because of safety fears | IHS Jane's 360
I see the journalists are bang up to date with their terminology as usual. Today's Times is talking about the Red Arrows not performing "stunts" at this year's air show, because the Hunter failed to pull out of a "loop-the-loop" at Shoreham.
Seems that journalese is firmly stuck somewhere in the 1920s!
Seems that journalese is firmly stuck somewhere in the 1920s!