PA Board 2016
Obviously this is a rumour site but rumours I've heard:
The board has sat so perhaps news may start filtering through from tomorrow or early next week?
It won't simply be a case of offering PA to anyone and everyone who is eligible.
I believe Manning are trying to target PA to those who they deem worthy - although I have no clue as to any criteria.
My personal view is that those pilots who will be leaving for the airlines won't want to tie themselves into the Air Force for any longer than absolute necessary. This means that Manning now has to separate those that remain;
'Lifers' - who have genuine reasons to want to stay and are happy to stay till retirement.
'Losers' - who won't get a job anywhere else and are happy to hide away in a quiet backwater and simply take the money.
And finally, the 'Inbetweeners' - who want another 5yrs to build up hours / type ratings and then poke off as soon as their PA ROS is up.
The difficulty comes as Manning also need to try and keep the A2 QFIs, future Sqn Uncles and the vast experience of some senior Flt Lts / Sqn Ldrs.
No, I don't have any answers.
The board has sat so perhaps news may start filtering through from tomorrow or early next week?
It won't simply be a case of offering PA to anyone and everyone who is eligible.
I believe Manning are trying to target PA to those who they deem worthy - although I have no clue as to any criteria.
My personal view is that those pilots who will be leaving for the airlines won't want to tie themselves into the Air Force for any longer than absolute necessary. This means that Manning now has to separate those that remain;
'Lifers' - who have genuine reasons to want to stay and are happy to stay till retirement.
'Losers' - who won't get a job anywhere else and are happy to hide away in a quiet backwater and simply take the money.
And finally, the 'Inbetweeners' - who want another 5yrs to build up hours / type ratings and then poke off as soon as their PA ROS is up.
The difficulty comes as Manning also need to try and keep the A2 QFIs, future Sqn Uncles and the vast experience of some senior Flt Lts / Sqn Ldrs.
No, I don't have any answers.
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Does anyone know what the current criteria are in order to be selected for PA?
Presumably you aren't holding out for an offer JTIDS, given your previous views on the subject:
Is it my imagination or is the RAF heading to a point where in 2015-18 pretty much every pilot with over six years experience will quit at the same time. Anyone who was on AFPS05 will have done their six years return of service and so be eligible to PVR and with no immediate pension to stay in for will head off to the airlines. Anyone who has reached their 38/16 point before April 1st 2015 will have no reason to stay in beyond that date and there will be a slow trickle of people leaving as they reach their 16 year points beyond 2015 who are just going to hang on to pick up what they can of their AFPS 75. In a very short space of time there will be no experience left, especially as PA Spine now seems to be a waste of time. (No additional real pension until you reach 68!)
Or am I missing something obvious.
Or am I missing something obvious.
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As I said, I don't have any answers but I can say I have always been open and honest with Manning and my chain.
Personally, I think it's the reason why Manning have never played any games with me nor me with them.
However, I have also said publicly that you always need an insurance option because despite your (or Manning's) wishes, stuff happens and I think everybody can see the wisdom in that.
Finally, it doesn't matter how I would categorise myself, I'm not the person making the Offers and I don't know what the criteria is for getting an offer.
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Yep 20K taxable, 5 yr RoS. So rough maths is 12K net. 12/5years is 2400 a year. 2400/12 months = 200 squidders a month for 5 yrs.
I think this will be enough to keep those who were already staying (waste of money as they were already staying). Will it entice those who were on the cusp of staying or leaving to stay, I would suggest not.
Those who have decided to leave, will it make them think twice - definitely not.
Problem is in 5 years will there be the pull from the civi world? It will certainly be harder to gain a foothold in industry.
I think this will be enough to keep those who were already staying (waste of money as they were already staying). Will it entice those who were on the cusp of staying or leaving to stay, I would suggest not.
Those who have decided to leave, will it make them think twice - definitely not.
Problem is in 5 years will there be the pull from the civi world? It will certainly be harder to gain a foothold in industry.
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Hang on...
...before you all make a rash decision and leave because you are not happy with the sum of FRI/bounty involved and offered to you, think of the 'loyal' subjects. Those who pinned their colours to the mast with an early PAS acceptance, those who chose a career stream path; they have been offered nothing! Zero, nada, not a thing!
They would also happily accept your meagre £20K (before tax) for staying in anyway!
But don't fret because they know nothing of this potentially divisive offer because you were told not to tell them! Sssshhhhhh...it'll be our dirty little secret! ;-) I hope none of them have options coming up.
Really...are people that naïve that they think friends and colleagues in the military don't speak to each other about such relevant and topical subjects; that there are not closed FB and What's App groups named after the very subject (FRI or retention or similar)!?
In the very near future there is not even going to be a decision to be made...it will have been made for you. Stay, of course and don't be disloyal! Now stop whining and get back to work!
They would also happily accept your meagre £20K (before tax) for staying in anyway!
But don't fret because they know nothing of this potentially divisive offer because you were told not to tell them! Sssshhhhhh...it'll be our dirty little secret! ;-) I hope none of them have options coming up.
Really...are people that naïve that they think friends and colleagues in the military don't speak to each other about such relevant and topical subjects; that there are not closed FB and What's App groups named after the very subject (FRI or retention or similar)!?
In the very near future there is not even going to be a decision to be made...it will have been made for you. Stay, of course and don't be disloyal! Now stop whining and get back to work!
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PAS, and this year PAS plus FRI is purely about retaining specific individuals for (a minimum) of 5 years - nothing more. Why would those who have already decided to accept PAS be offered anything? They have already been retained; there is no need to spend the money. Those who decided to go for a career did just that; decided to do it. I suspect that PAS offers have been targeted at those with (unsurprisingly) pertinent flying quals where there could be a shortage, A2, QWI for instance. It's about retaining specific individuals with required quals - no need to retain someone who sits behind a desk with no specific skills in their back pocket, the reality is that they can be replaced by someone else who will do the same job to an adequate standard very quickly.
Agree with you about the devisiveness of FRIs, but that has always been the case.
PAS, and this year PAS plus FRI is purely about retaining specific individuals for (a minimum) of 5 years - nothing more. Why would those who have already decided to accept PAS be offered anything? They have already been retained; there is no need to spend the money. Those who decided to go for a career did just that; decided to do it. I suspect that PAS offers have been targeted at those with (unsurprisingly) pertinent flying quals where there could be a shortage, A2, QWI for instance. It's about retaining specific individuals with required quals - no need to retain someone who sits behind a desk with no specific skills in their back pocket, the reality is that they can be replaced by someone else who will do the same job to an adequate standard very quickly.
Agree with you about the devisiveness of FRIs, but that has always been the case.
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Don't assume!
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PAS, and this year PAS plus FRI is purely about retaining specific individuals for (a minimum) of 5 years - nothing more. Why would those who have already decided to accept PAS be offered anything? They have already been retained; there is no need to spend the money. Those who decided to go for a career did just that; decided to do it. I suspect that PAS offers have been targeted at those with (unsurprisingly) pertinent flying quals where there could be a shortage, A2, QWI for instance. It's about retaining specific individuals with required quals - no need to retain someone who sits behind a desk with no specific skills in their back pocket, the reality is that they can be replaced by someone else who will do the same job to an adequate standard very quickly.
Agree with you about the devisiveness of FRIs, but that has always been the case.
PAS, and this year PAS plus FRI is purely about retaining specific individuals for (a minimum) of 5 years - nothing more. Why would those who have already decided to accept PAS be offered anything? They have already been retained; there is no need to spend the money. Those who decided to go for a career did just that; decided to do it. I suspect that PAS offers have been targeted at those with (unsurprisingly) pertinent flying quals where there could be a shortage, A2, QWI for instance. It's about retaining specific individuals with required quals - no need to retain someone who sits behind a desk with no specific skills in their back pocket, the reality is that they can be replaced by someone else who will do the same job to an adequate standard very quickly.
Agree with you about the devisiveness of FRIs, but that has always been the case.
The rub for those who committed early is that they may not even have transferred across to the PAS pay scale; I am under no illusion there are always going to be winners and losers and it's down to timing. That said, it might not be pretty! Time will tell.
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I am aware of, and agree with all your points. It is a shame if manning have discounted those with quals but who are not currently flying- but I don't see why they would do that? Unless their "quota" was satisfied by those in flying positions? You don't state your rank (I am not asking you to), but I believe that Sqn Ldrs have to apply for PAS, in contrast to Flt Lts who are automatically looked at.
I am aware of, and agree with all your points. It is a shame if manning have discounted those with quals but who are not currently flying- but I don't see why they would do that? Unless their "quota" was satisfied by those in flying positions? You don't state your rank (I am not asking you to), but I believe that Sqn Ldrs have to apply for PAS, in contrast to Flt Lts who are automatically looked at.