Long Service Medal for Officers
Clearly he is a blood legend for getting the VC, bit isn't that the Silver, Golden and Diamond jubilee medal in the middle there? Given that he finished serving before any of those were issued and as is now 84, I presume the Ozzy rules for getting them are totally different and therefore very lax? As is the rule about wearing other nations medals?
Also for GC holders and includes Coronation medals for the remainder of their life.
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Keith P has got 4 of my 5! including the 2 Omani ones 2nd and 3rd from last. (I met him briefly in Oman).
For UK regulars comme moi, there was a DCI issued authorising the wear of the campaign medals. For one off gallantry awards or similar there was an individual letter from the Palace!
The ribbon of the Dhofar Campaign Medal (KP's 3rd from the end) looks a bit like the one for the Kuwaiti Liberation Medal (which can't be worn). I've been "counselled" on my apparent error by many ranks from SWO to Brigadier; it was fun telling them they were wrong!
A bit easier when Jock Stirrup was CAS/CDS as he had one.
Dhofar Medal
Kuwait Liberation
For UK regulars comme moi, there was a DCI issued authorising the wear of the campaign medals. For one off gallantry awards or similar there was an individual letter from the Palace!
The ribbon of the Dhofar Campaign Medal (KP's 3rd from the end) looks a bit like the one for the Kuwaiti Liberation Medal (which can't be worn). I've been "counselled" on my apparent error by many ranks from SWO to Brigadier; it was fun telling them they were wrong!
A bit easier when Jock Stirrup was CAS/CDS as he had one.
Dhofar Medal
Kuwait Liberation
Interesting Teeters, I met an old chum called Tim Jones from my rockape days at a black tie reunion. I was sporting my single GSM miniature from Aden where Tim and I both served, but was rather outshone by his row of 6 or 7 which included the two you mention, as well as several other blingy looking things from the same sandy region.
Re coronation and jubilee medals, anyone who watched this year's Cenotaph parade will have seen Bill Speakman wearing his VC group, which includes the "full set" of 1953 Coronation Medal, QSJM, QGSM and QDJM.
Re Payne VC's group, I think I counted 24. I used to do medal mounting but always "sub contracted" court mounting to a mate, as I found it such a fiddle. Obviously Payne's have been mounted for display, but trying to mount a group of 24 with sufficient overlap to enable them to be worn without looking like Kenny Everett's US general would be a bit of a nightmare!
Re coronation and jubilee medals, anyone who watched this year's Cenotaph parade will have seen Bill Speakman wearing his VC group, which includes the "full set" of 1953 Coronation Medal, QSJM, QGSM and QDJM.
Re Payne VC's group, I think I counted 24. I used to do medal mounting but always "sub contracted" court mounting to a mate, as I found it such a fiddle. Obviously Payne's have been mounted for display, but trying to mount a group of 24 with sufficient overlap to enable them to be worn without looking like Kenny Everett's US general would be a bit of a nightmare!
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Ttn Tim Jones I also knew - I was seconded to Oman from '73 to '75.
Tim was one of the few (the only?) Rock who was seconded to SAF as an infanteer; there were of course many Rocks - as Rocks - at Salalah mostly manning the "Hedgehogs" IIRC.
You will be aware that the Omani campaign medals and the GSM Dhofar clasp were an "either or"; seconded - wearing Sultan's uniform - no GSM clasp.
Although I do know of some fairly senior ex-secondees who seem to have "acquired" a Dhofar clap to their GSMs........ (and no - it wasn't Jock S!)
Tim was one of the few (the only?) Rock who was seconded to SAF as an infanteer; there were of course many Rocks - as Rocks - at Salalah mostly manning the "Hedgehogs" IIRC.
You will be aware that the Omani campaign medals and the GSM Dhofar clasp were an "either or"; seconded - wearing Sultan's uniform - no GSM clasp.
Although I do know of some fairly senior ex-secondees who seem to have "acquired" a Dhofar clap to their GSMs........ (and no - it wasn't Jock S!)
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I'd forgotten that the VC holder was awarded the jubillee medals. I was on parade with the son of a VC holder from the First War at the Cenotaph in November. He was proudly wearing his father's medals - VC and the 3 Great War Medals. He didn't have any of the coronation or jubillee medals. Will send him a message to ask if his father had them but didn't mount the medals or didn't get them.
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Interesting Teeters,
Re Payne VC's group, I think I counted 24. I used to do medal mounting but always "sub contracted" court mounting to a mate, as I found it such a fiddle. Obviously Payne's have been mounted for display, but trying to mount a group of 24 with sufficient overlap to enable them to be worn without looking like Kenny Everett's US general would be a bit of a nightmare!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMHDBL7CNA4
Re Payne VC's group, I think I counted 24. I used to do medal mounting but always "sub contracted" court mounting to a mate, as I found it such a fiddle. Obviously Payne's have been mounted for display, but trying to mount a group of 24 with sufficient overlap to enable them to be worn without looking like Kenny Everett's US general would be a bit of a nightmare!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMHDBL7CNA4
Teeters - Interesting you knew Tim. He and I were young rocks together at Catterick, and later in Singapore where he managed to wangle the job of ADC to the Air Commander (C in C), AM Sir Rochford Hughes, a no-nonsense Kiwi who had sacked a couple of earlier candidates before Tim came along and managed to hold on to the job. Always a smooth operator, I knew he would do well and the last time I saw him he had a pretty good job with Rolls Royce, which he told me involved lots of schmoozing - something he would be very good at!
November 4 - yes that is impressive. I know if I had been presented with that job I would have given up pretty quickly and handed over to somebody with nimbler fingers than mine.
November 4 - yes that is impressive. I know if I had been presented with that job I would have given up pretty quickly and handed over to somebody with nimbler fingers than mine.
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As stated in an earlier post you can not wear the Kuwait Liberation Medal, and I understand the same rule applies to the Saudi medal issued after GW1, whilst still serving. What is the protocol about wearing them, or other foreign medals, after retirement? Or does that qualify you as a Walt?
I am unlikely to fork out £100 to have them mounted to wear them on French Remembrance Day parades in any event.
As stated in an earlier post you can not wear the Kuwait Liberation Medal, and I understand the same rule applies to the Saudi medal issued after GW1, whilst still serving. What is the protocol about wearing them, or other foreign medals, after retirement? Or does that qualify you as a Walt?
I am unlikely to fork out £100 to have them mounted to wear them on French Remembrance Day parades in any event.
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TT, protocol, verboten. However father in law, and others of his time, proudly wore his Soviet Arctic medals with some issued on anniversaries. He did not survive to get the Arctic emblem and later Arctic Star, though his widow has both now.
What is the protocol about wearing them, or other foreign medals, after retirement? Or does that qualify you as a Walt?
I'd forgotten that the VC holder was awarded the jubillee medals. I was on parade with the son of a VC holder from the First War at the Cenotaph in November. He was proudly wearing his father's medals - VC and the 3 Great War Medals. He didn't have any of the coronation or jubillee medals. Will send him a message to ask if his father had them but didn't mount the medals or didn't get them.
Whatever the protocol, I'd say that if they were awarded to you, go ahead and wear them. Remembrance parades are already peppered with blokes covered in those pseudo medals such as the National Service Medal and many more which are available to anyone who wishes to shell out thirty odd quid a go. Pinning your Saudi and Kuwaiti medals under your official group certainly wouldn't qualify you as a Walt in my book - but mind you they are 'orrible medals - why bother?!
... who would probably find fault in a happy hour full of free beer and nurses!
Like the coach load of Swedish nymphomaniacs who always arrived ten minutes after I left a party!
Tengah Type, I can't recall whether you were at the VC10 do at the Witney Lakes a couple or so years ago?
Certainly one well-known ex-Air Eng (wae'aye man!) was sporting the Kuwaiti Liberation medals awarded by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, together with all his other miniatures...
Protocol be bug gered - wear them if you were awarded them! Palace fag-hags and medal nerds might not like it, but Walting it isn't!
Certainly one well-known ex-Air Eng (wae'aye man!) was sporting the Kuwaiti Liberation medals awarded by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, together with all his other miniatures...
Protocol be bug gered - wear them if you were awarded them! Palace fag-hags and medal nerds might not like it, but Walting it isn't!
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The Barnsley Witch? Not the Goblin Teasmade of FY fame?
Oh, this is going waaaaaay off topic.
Ah, but perhaps, medals should have been awarded if you lived to tell the tale!
Perhaps awarded to the 'Lady' for Long Service. The Good Conduct bit could be difficult to explain!
Oh, I don't know though.
Oh, this is going waaaaaay off topic.
Ah, but perhaps, medals should have been awarded if you lived to tell the tale!
Perhaps awarded to the 'Lady' for Long Service. The Good Conduct bit could be difficult to explain!
Oh, I don't know though.
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Yes, I was at the Witney Lakes VC10 function, last to leave the bar, and retire to my Campingcar in the car park for the night. I can not remember if YI (as it said on his airshow name tag) was wearing the aforementioned " 'orrible medals" ,but remember a Hero of the Russian People bemoaning the several hundred pounds he was forced to fork out for a specially made miniature.
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Yes, I was at the Witney Lakes VC10 function, last to leave the bar, and retire to my Campingcar in the car park for the night. I can not remember if YI (as it said on his airshow name tag) was wearing the aforementioned " 'orrible medals" ,but remember a Hero of the Russian People bemoaning the several hundred pounds he was forced to fork out for a specially made miniature.