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People are re enlisting, that should tell you something about the outside at the minute, so, unfortunately you guys are not in a particularly strong position to argue that there will be the "mass exodus" that never comes (mores the pity).
That said, as I've posted before, all my colleagues that have left are employed, save one, and that was not a real surprise, and ALL are enjoying a decent pay jump and/or an absolutely smashing work/life balance. As has been stated, worth a bloody fortune on its own!
That said, as I've posted before, all my colleagues that have left are employed, save one, and that was not a real surprise, and ALL are enjoying a decent pay jump and/or an absolutely smashing work/life balance. As has been stated, worth a bloody fortune on its own!
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Are you sure about that? Didn't a previous head of AFPRB resign over this exact point.
As I understand it the AFPRB can only recommend an award within the range that Govt has told them is affordable. If it were truly independant it could recommend, say 6% and then have the Govt cap it at 1%. Since this would make the Govt look bad they aren't allowed to do this.
Edit: It wasn't a resignation after all. It was Prof Alasdair Smith in 2013 that I was thinking of. He was fired for daring to suggest a 1.5% rise when Govt had told him 1% was the limit.
As I understand it the AFPRB can only recommend an award within the range that Govt has told them is affordable. If it were truly independant it could recommend, say 6% and then have the Govt cap it at 1%. Since this would make the Govt look bad they aren't allowed to do this.
Edit: It wasn't a resignation after all. It was Prof Alasdair Smith in 2013 that I was thinking of. He was fired for daring to suggest a 1.5% rise when Govt had told him 1% was the limit.
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The NI hike will eat the 1% pay increase and more for some people. About £350 per annum if your on 30k and increasing accordingly.... In fairness it's the whole public sector getting shafted with NI next month....
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1% Pay rise = +£388 for the year for me. Changes to NI = me paying an additional £338 this year. Therefore a NET GAIN of £50 on my pay rise 
Should cover cost of living inflation.........
Should cover cost of living inflation.........
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Don't forget that the PAYE rates increase on 1 Apr 16. The tax free allowance is increasing from £10,000 to £10,600 and the higher rate also has a modest increase, you will therefore pay less income tax.
Also don't forget it's the Budget next week. Hot on the heels of the Chancellor's pension climb down, there are talks of the annual allowance bring cut further from £40,000 to £25,000, or even as low as £10,000 to make up for retaining tax relief.
If that happened, I can see senior flt lts and possibly some of the more senior NCOs & WOs incurring a tax charge. Best you don't spend any of your increase just yet ... just in case
If that happened, I can see senior flt lts and possibly some of the more senior NCOs & WOs incurring a tax charge. Best you don't spend any of your increase just yet ... just in case
Actually, worst case, it could be a perfect storm that tips people over the edge: potential pay down banding, real terms pay cut once increased charges & NI kick in and a pension tax charge due to the annual allowance being slashed, not to mention the very dangerous precedent of pensions being taxed twice in certain circumstances - on the way in and out - for very ordinary folk just doing their best to get on in life. Gideon's doing a damned good job of ensuring he never makes PM with this sort of short term thinking.
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Don't forget that the PAYE rates increase on 1 Apr 16. The tax free allowance is increasing from £10,000 to £10,600 .......
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I'm a bit confused by this. As this is an aircrew forum, can I assume you are talking about aircrew? So a senior Flt Lt (31-32 years old) earns £46,500 and with top rate flying pay (not been around long enough for enhanced) earns £60-61000. A top rate WO (age....?) earns £48,000 and about half the flying pay? (Unless I'm wrong?) I might have made a mistake here and got confused with pilots/ crewmen/AAC pilots but the comparison is a bit silly as doesn't come close to comparing like for like. Guys that get off the ground get classed as aircrew but there is a huge difference within that grouping. I once heard an arguement (lasted about 30 seconds) that crewmen should get the same flying pay as a pilot. Ridiculous!
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It's not an aircrew forum.
From the forum descriptor: Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.
From the forum descriptor: Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.
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You are exactly right! My apologies! I only check this on my phone and I click 'aircrew forums' and then 'military aviation' which I thought was a military aircrew forum! My mistake! WW your post makes sense and is why I was confused. I thought the suggestion was that a senior pilot/crewmen WO would get more than a senior pilot Flt Lt which is barking. I stand corrected
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.the suggestion was that a senior pilot/crewmen WO would get more than a senior pilot Flt Lt which is barking.
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I think you will find that WO/MACR get paid more than the most senior Flt Lt.
Level 20 MACR will get more than a Flt Lt on higher rate of RRP (£60935) but at the highest levels the Flt Lt does get paid a tiny bit more although it's not really comparing like with like - Flt Lt PAS which is comparable gets up to £74811 at L 30 or even £80328 if he's on reserve rates to L 35.
So there is a reward for working harder at school!
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It's the delay of RRP(Flying) that is the real kick in the teeth. I know a lot of senior captains in the multi engine world who were waiting for the results of this review and have now just pressed the shiny PVR button, in anticipation of an increase to 18 months of PVR time.
No richard waving here but, IMO, the senior levels of NCO flying pay / PA spine pay are appropriate BUT, the pay for senior Flt Lt / Sqn Ldr pilot, particularly those in instructional / examiner posts, is well below the standard.
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Compare the salary of a senior capt/ QFI on C130/ C17/ A400 with the equivalent on Voyager (Air Tanker reservist) ......no wonder the latter fleet are haemorrhaging guys at the end of their ROS.
'correcting a factually incorrect statement'
Level 9 Flt Lt: 47,127
Level 7 WO/MACR: 48,865
So factually correct Ken; I did not refer to additional pay in my post.
