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UK MFTS Fixed Wing Flying Training : The Future

Old 14th Mar 2020, 08:01
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I imagine there's going to be months of extra holds coming up for any current student.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 09:12
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Thanks for that and I’m sure there is a lot of truth in it. By the time I was a Jetstream QFI (97-2000) formation and LL were well embedded in the syllabus so that narrows that down a bit. LL was taught as a handling skill and LLnav very much a two person thing, which given the C130 was our biggest ‘customer’ by far makes sense.

I don’t have a sense of how much form had been taught prior to arrival on 45, but I guess we used it as a stepping stone on the small to medium to big. I don’t know how it is now but back then most of our ‘customers’ had AAR requirements so it seemed reasonable to do some at least.

Your comment on the syllabus certainly rings true and these two elements very much enhanced the enjoyment as a QFI of what was by then a really varied and enjoyable job. Is that a good reason for doing it? It seemed easy to rationalise it at the time!

Now looking backwards from my 20th year in commercial aviation it is clear that METS then was very much ‘one man band’ stuff with the exception being LLnav! But then it was back in 85 when I did my MEXO course. Plus ca change....

As an observer it will be interesting to see how the syllabus ends up.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 10:20
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Vortex - my very first student as a baby B2 QHI at SARTU (1989) decided he definitely didn't want SAR post Shawbury - his flying was fine over land but went to pieces inexplicably over the water. An overheard comment from one of his course mates led to the penny dropping for me - he had deliberately failed the sortie. After a firm debrief in which he was reminded that if he didn't pass SARTU, he didn't get his wings at all, suddenly he was good as gold again.

Baldeep - good post
I went through SARTU mid-90s, it had a number of problems (from a stude PoV anyway) but one not of its making was exactly what Crab said, most of the students just didnít want to be there. There were 10 of us, one desperately wanted SAR, the rest desperately didnít.
The desired end state was to pass, but without the dreaded SAR recommend, so there was most definitely a fair bit of not-doing-quite-as-well-as-perhaps-one-could going on.

That's for the frontenders, the crewmen were understandably far more keen.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 00:06
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Prefect touch and goes Duxford

While awaiting the Thsnkyou NHS Spitfire to return, and saw Catalina also take off and various other Spitfires ...I saw a nice Prefect circuit bashing and one touch and go at IWM (My photos below).


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