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UK MFTS Fixed Wing Flying Training : The Future

Old 22nd Feb 2020, 08:30
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Could someone please provide the link for said video?
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 21:12
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Rumour is that they have been summoned for borrowing stuff out of the bar outside drinking hours without returning it? So nowt to do with the video.
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Old 23rd Feb 2020, 03:02
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
Not a chance. A few things borrowed from the bar...a minor Ďbosses talkí at best. There is a more sinister force at work here and these innocent lads will be scapegoats for it.
MFTS is terrified the country, the press and most importantly the taxpayer will learn how appalling it is. It is destroying training yet costing more than the system it replaced.
It was a huge mistake. Those who implemented it are culpable of negligence. The Press will soon be all over this, and rightfully so. Those responsible for this completely foreseeable waste of taxpayers money must be held to account.
I still remain gobsmacked that a certain 3* at Air Command got to 3* in spite of presiding over MFTS for a good couple of years and did nothing in that time to rectify MFTS.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 05:40
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Could someone please provide the link for said video?

Itís now out in public. Try Fill Your Boots on FB.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 05:47
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Itís now out in public. Try Fill Your Boots on FB.

Three and a half years, just to complete the Shawbury element of flying training?
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Old 27th Feb 2020, 11:19
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Regardless of the message the sense of humour of those students is required if you’re SH in Kosovo Afghanistan Iraq NI insert location here. Well done guys.
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Old 27th Feb 2020, 11:59
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Is anything actually improving about MFTS? It seems to just be getting worse.
I've heard the guys on EFT or just finishing EFT at the moment finished IOT nearly 3 years ago!
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Old 27th Feb 2020, 13:18
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Originally Posted by father_teds_father View Post
Three and a half years, just to complete the Shawbury element of flying training?
Not actually correct - the real situation is worse. The rotary course includes a large maritime element, which all graduates of MFTS have NOT completed. More than 2 years after the arrival of the new maritime training helicopter, the H145, the overwater and winching phase is still not happening.
This is yet another way in which MFTS is vastly inferior to the system it replaced.
When you see one of those Ascent Press Releases talking about a course graduating from Shawbury, ask what they have actually done - ask if they received training in those crucial skills that they would have been taught under the previous system. The answer is no.
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Old 27th Feb 2020, 19:09
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 06:16
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Apparently, Ascent's plan to fund the purchase of more 145s (who would have thought their initial numbers were woefully inadequate) involved offering the AAC a bunch of 135s at a highly inflated price, well over the cost of new ones............I believe they were told to ram it.

How do these people stay in business? Oh yes, Govt handouts and a poor contract......
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 17:19
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Crab,

How can Ascent sell something they donít own? And are they buying the 145s?

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Old 28th Feb 2020, 18:26
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FNW is quite correct. Ascent do not own the aircraft, they are the property of the MOD.

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Old 29th Feb 2020, 07:30
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Originally Posted by The B Word View Post
Rumour is that they have been summoned for borrowing stuff out of the bar outside drinking hours without returning it? So nowt to do with the video.
so did they graduate yesterday or not?
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
FNW is quite correct. Ascent do not own the aircraft, they are the property of the MOD.
Then perhaps they have been negotiating on behalf of MOD or perhaps Airbus have been involved - either way Ascent needs more 145s and someone will have to pay for them. No doubt the British taxpayer.
Perhaps the same senior officers who f**cked this up in the first place are now trying to work out how to rob Peter to pay Paul and acquire new 145s so the training contract can actually start to work.
All the risk with this contract seems to fall to the taxpayer and someone thought this was a great idea.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 12:16
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The setup of Rotary MFTS is complicated. Ascent managed to get the MOD to agree to a contract in which Ascent design the training, Ascent select the Aircraft, Airbus Ďruní the aircraft, but the MOD pays for them. Bear in mind that the reason for MFTS was an NAO report saying that training cost too much and took too long.
It was, of course, a naive report- training is expensive.
Regardless, MFTS was set up to save money and time in training, and this is clear in every decision taken by Ascent. They selected the cheapest aircraft, and the huge proportion of training that is for rearcrew just stopped, as the H135 is unfit for purpose...but my goodness they are cheap!
The MOD made a fundamentally flawed decision to proceed with MFTS, but they did, and the question is how to fix it. It presently costs more per trainee than the previous system, takes far longer, and produces an inferior product as key elements are no longer being trained...all of which was clearly foreseeable by the instructors on the shop-floor.
I believe there should be a parliamentary inquiry into this situation to determine if it really is the grossly negligent use of taxpayers money that it certainly appears to be.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 12:25
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all of which was clearly foreseeable by the instructors on the shop-floor.
But we/they were never properly consulted...... What do they know who are doing it??
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 12:41
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Incidentally, have any ME students graduated yet on the few Phenoms which haven't collided with each other?

Has anyone yet seen any report on the 2 Phenoms (ZM335 & ZM336) which had the mid-air on 3 July 2018?
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 14:53
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Incidentally, have any ME students graduated yet on the few Phenoms which haven't collided with each other?
Nope, all MEPT graduating studes have either flown 335 or 336, if not both!

anyone yet seen any report on the 2 Phenoms (ZM335 & ZM336) which had the mid-air on 3 July 2018?
Yep!
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 20:04
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A total bloody disaster. I despair, I truly do.

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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
FNW is quite correct. Ascent do not own the aircraft, they are the property of the MOD.
Does the same apply to the fixed wing element - I recall seeng something that said the T6s would 'eventually' become MOD property
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