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Don't forget Israel also has 40 odd F16a's that are looking for future owners too.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...40-up-for-sale
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...40-up-for-sale
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If the Argies did want them, any objection on our part would be treated with nothing more than mild disinterest by Israel. Of far more concern to them would be Argentina's (in)ability to pay. No doubt as soon as they can afford fuel for their coastguard RIBs, these F16's will be top of the list!
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possibly, but then Argentina is also in the process of buying - how fortuitously - a KC-130 tanker...
i don't know what Kfirs actual combat range is in real world conditions, but its worth noting that the figure given in Wikipedia is for an aircraft carrying seven 500lb bombs as well as AAM and drop tanks. what impact would losing the weight and drag of five of them be..?
i should point out that of course Kfir on its own can't get them the FI, but Kfir with a tanker and the political will to give a friendly wave to the air-bridge flights way out in the Atlantic would make holding them vastly more expensive than the current arrangement.
i don't know what Kfirs actual combat range is in real world conditions, but its worth noting that the figure given in Wikipedia is for an aircraft carrying seven 500lb bombs as well as AAM and drop tanks. what impact would losing the weight and drag of five of them be..?
i should point out that of course Kfir on its own can't get them the FI, but Kfir with a tanker and the political will to give a friendly wave to the air-bridge flights way out in the Atlantic would make holding them vastly more expensive than the current arrangement.
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So, just to sum up, first it was ex-Spanish Mirage F.1s, then Brazilian-supplied Gripens, then Russian Su-24s and now Israeli Kfirs.
Anyway, an awfully ongoing long-story, for all those involved, including the Argentinian Air Force
we shall see if this goes any further, but while its all worth a good laugh at Argentina 'upgrading' to a aircraft everyone else has scrapped, a dozen Kfir with an AESA radar and a handful of BVRAAM's would run our four Typhoons - unless they can be in 6 different places at once - ragged.
Meanwhile a Typhoon pilot could happily use his considerable dry-power speed / energy advantage, datalink/ESM/Pirate and at least 2Nm altitude advantage to drive his aircraft and chuck his missiles anywhere he pleases.
No doubt the Book of Samuel is included with every Kfir but a victory by David is still doubtful.
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Argentina is also in the process of buying - how fortuitously - a KC-130 tanker...
i don't know what Kfirs actual combat range is in real world conditions
When the FFA talk to politicians I'll bet it's Chile they talk about not the RAF
Second, Chile is Argentinaīs safeguard against the RAF. Tide did turn in the past 25 years.
Meanwhile a Typhoon pilot could happily use his considerable dry-power speed / energy advantage, datalink/ESM/Pirate and at least 2Nm altitude advantage to drive his aircraft and chuck his missiles anywhere he pleases.
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Martin,
Argentinaīs FAA is looking for planes to enlarge its C130 fleet. Itīs been also upgrading some of the planes it has and itīs been at some point stablished that some 8-10 aircraft are needed.
The USMC planes were looked upon. I know that some five or six were chosen. Wether they are KC or not itīs not relevant since itīs not what the FAA is looking for. Anyway, the sale requires an authorization that will be left for Trumpīs administration to clear or not. And then itīs the eternal matter of payments and delivereance schedules.
Since the retirement of the 707, F-28 and F-27 in the past eight years, the transport fleet of the FAA has gone shrinking.
Most recent news refer to the interest of both FAA and COAN for the C-295. Looks like no less than 4 of those planes could be ordered soon. And the KC-390 itīs also in the FAA plans
Argentinaīs FAA is looking for planes to enlarge its C130 fleet. Itīs been also upgrading some of the planes it has and itīs been at some point stablished that some 8-10 aircraft are needed.
The USMC planes were looked upon. I know that some five or six were chosen. Wether they are KC or not itīs not relevant since itīs not what the FAA is looking for. Anyway, the sale requires an authorization that will be left for Trumpīs administration to clear or not. And then itīs the eternal matter of payments and delivereance schedules.
Since the retirement of the 707, F-28 and F-27 in the past eight years, the transport fleet of the FAA has gone shrinking.
Most recent news refer to the interest of both FAA and COAN for the C-295. Looks like no less than 4 of those planes could be ordered soon. And the KC-390 itīs also in the FAA plans
And now...the MiG 29 enters the comedy.
https://sputniknews.com/business/201...entina-mig-29/
Well, according to the press FA-50, M-346, Kfir, Mirage F-1, Su-24, Gripen NG (without british parts) and now the MiG-29 could be the next AAF fighter.
The neverending story.
https://sputniknews.com/business/201...entina-mig-29/
Well, according to the press FA-50, M-346, Kfir, Mirage F-1, Su-24, Gripen NG (without british parts) and now the MiG-29 could be the next AAF fighter.
The neverending story.
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Marcantilan, do you have a sense of why not the F-16 is not in that mix?
Is the cost too high or are there some lingering political issues between Argentina and the US?
It seems a good fit with a proven record.
Is the cost too high or are there some lingering political issues between Argentina and the US?
It seems a good fit with a proven record.
T28B, the "original" plan (back in the 90s) was to purchase first the A-4ARs (A4-Ms with upgraded avionics) and later the F-16s. I fact, the ARG-1 radar was a downgraded APG-66 radar (with a smaller radar dish), the same the F-16 then had.
Of course, the plan was not followed. In fact, an AAF CO once said the F-16 is problematic because the intake could absorb stones in the Patagonian Airfields (yes...) and last year the Ministry of Defense argued against the F-16 because the Chileans have problems with the plane (what problems???)
I think the AAF wants two sources of planes. One american (A-4AR) and the other from elsewhere. Just to escape any "embargo" in the future.
Regards!
Of course, the plan was not followed. In fact, an AAF CO once said the F-16 is problematic because the intake could absorb stones in the Patagonian Airfields (yes...) and last year the Ministry of Defense argued against the F-16 because the Chileans have problems with the plane (what problems???)
I think the AAF wants two sources of planes. One american (A-4AR) and the other from elsewhere. Just to escape any "embargo" in the future.
Regards!
I fully expect to read the headline 'Argentina in talks with UK for Tranche 1 Typhoons' before too long. At this rate they'll have gone everywhere else.
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Honest question. Why would Argentina feel the need to safeguard against the RAF? The RAF poses absolutely no threat to Argentina.
Second, Chile is Argentinaīs safeguard against the RAF.