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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:30
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KPax,


No.

In the SDSR document the new OSD for Sentry is clearly stated as 2035.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:31
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Can someone explain where the 2 extra Typhoon Sqn appear from?


I was assuming they will be new builds - tranche 3b but I have heard references to keeping tranche 1 going - so are the 2 Sqns just not retiring these older aircraft? How many new aircraft will be built?


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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:34
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typerated,

You have answered your own question!

Previous plans to retire the Tranche 1 have been axed. Now to be refitted and retained alongside existing Tranche 2 and new build Tranche3B.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:34
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With 2 more Typhoon sqns (7) Lossie is definitely going to be chocca.
Not any more than in was back in the 80's.... ...

2 Buccaneer Op Sqns
1 Buccaneer OCU
1 Jaguar OCu
1 Shackleton Sqn
1 SAR Flt.

Happy Days are here again.........
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:38
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edwardspannerhands,

I would say that 5 Typhoon squadrons and the entire Poseidon fleet ( OCU, OEU and 1 or 2 FL sqns?) is a lot more in terms of people and kit than your list, but where is it stated that the two additional Typhoon squadrons WILL be at Lossiemouth?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:39
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Typhoon needs to be as far north as it can get, as does P-8 - F-35 doesn't, it already going to Marham, so would it not be a clever plan to split F-35 between Marham and the about-to-be vacated Mildenhall?
The RAF hasn't moved back into many US bases due to the hideous cost of redoing all the infrastructure - its all 110V for a start. Seem to remember a plan for the Harrier force to go to Bentwaters that was scuppered for this reason.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:42
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Thanks Pr00ne,


so 2 additional Sqns is really 2 Sqns retained.


I was thinking about the recent redundancies at Salmesbury and Warton. Like most organisations the lads doing the job are top notch even if their management is worthy of criticism.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:43
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WSOPs/WSOs to serve until 70

The ISTAR fleet is ever growing, the sum total of WSOP(EW) trained in the last 5 years is 5 (none of whom have reached the FL yet) with about 100 made redundant. One WSO today proposed keeping me on to 70! I think 55 would be pushing it to be honest.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:45
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pr00ne

but where is it stated that the two additional Typhoon squadrons WILL be at Lossiemouth?
I believe someone mentioned that a few posts back.

My take is that the 2 extra Sqn's may be split between Lossie and Coningsby, or as I alluded to earlier - maybe the other rumour of Leeming isn't too far fetched (HAS Sites, accomodation etc., readily available).
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:49
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typerated,

"Thanks Pr00ne,


so 2 additional Sqns is really 2 Sqns retained."


No, Typhoon force to go from five to seven operational squadrons, so that IS two additional squadrons.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:58
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...so what year will that actually happen?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:01
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Is anyone else confusicated by the "added" JSFs in the early 2020s, and what baseline they were added to?

Or is it still two squadrons and an OCU with 45 jets (plus three in the U.S.)?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:03
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Originally Posted by alfred_the_great View Post
801 NAS
Gen dit?

The JF2025 graphic only shows two F35 sqns - assume 617 and 809NAS as announced earlier. The "additional" one appears suspiciously absent....

If it is 801NAS - fantastic news.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:16
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It's reassuring that you're as confused by this document as I am, Mr B.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:39
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With a full buy of 138 F35s, and assuming 40% for attrition/maintenance/OCU, I make that enough to for 7 Sqns. Assuming both carriers operational with 1x RN* Sqn aboard, that assumes another 2 ashore for work-up, rotation and joint ops deployment. It would therefore seem possible to suggest an RAF wing available for surge carrier ops but otherwise used for current ops - which would fit in with replacing the GR4 wing at MR.

The question then being where will the 2/2 afloat/shore based be based? If would seem sensible to be based down south near the work up areas, but I'm not sure if YVL etc are in the frame to accept them?

*RN meaning RN name-plated. I am assume that, pending a miracle, all with be majority RAF manned for the foreseeable future with just a leavening of RN air and ground crew. How to rectify that economically is, thankfully, not my problem.

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:48
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My understanding of the F-35 Sqn structure is that each sqn will consist of c55% light blue and 45% dark blue irrespective of the number plate. Personally I believe this to be flawed and foolish, but it will go some way to disguising the Navy's' inability to fully man their posts, in much the same way as they struggled with JFH.
As for basing, Marham is likely the only option given the eye watering amounts needing to be invested down there.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:55
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As for basing, Marham is likely the only option given the eye watering amounts needing to be invested down there
Assuming 2 Sqns afloat that may only be 5 Sqns of aircraft to shoehorn in - but the families won't be going anywhere. Has MR the married quarters for 7 Sqns worth of air and ground crew?

p.s. As an ex-FC the airspace for ACT/PIs of East Anglia was congested 20 years ago, even after WT shut as an AD base. Fitting in even secondary role AD for the MR on top of CY will be lots of fun. Especially if the USAF decide to replace the F15Cs with F-22.....
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:59
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4.46 We will upgrade our helicopters and transport aircraft so that they can deploy further and faster.
Interesting.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:59
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The full 138 JSFs are "over the life of the programme" (p31). That's waaaaay out there.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 18:00
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Good question, depends how big a sqn is to some extent. If the F-35 is only to be based at Marham how many specialists would buy in the local community
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