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The world wars - 1914-44 lasted 30 years.
I must have imagined the doodlebugs in 1945 then.
The world wars - 1914-44 lasted 30 years.
I must have imagined the doodlebugs in 1945 then.
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There should be a lot more than only Blair on trial. A whole military and intelligence service found wanting. This country still cant handle it -too big for them. Too big to be even really acknowledged.
It was obvious to those that could see that in the late Summer of 2002 we were on the way to war. Physical military evidence was in abundance.
Many senior officers fell over themselves to be involved with it - the operation.
But subsequent no WMD find and an utterly ham fisted underfunded disastrous "peace" meant it was exposed as the bastard orphan of an operation that it was.
A lot of people are guilty in regards the war and not just politicians. I lost faith in our senior officers for ever afterwards and have been dubious about the UK military ever since.
Arkroyal are you sure? You would have had to crack on with it like so many did - I had some doubts but thought it was too big to be the lie it ultimately was.
Vividly remember a fellow Senior Rate picking up on the actual legality of the whole war and subsequently being put down by the Captain... we all fell in line like a row of sheep.
Hope Chilcott is honest, brave and not establishment but this is Britain 2015....
It was obvious to those that could see that in the late Summer of 2002 we were on the way to war. Physical military evidence was in abundance.
Many senior officers fell over themselves to be involved with it - the operation.
But subsequent no WMD find and an utterly ham fisted underfunded disastrous "peace" meant it was exposed as the bastard orphan of an operation that it was.
A lot of people are guilty in regards the war and not just politicians. I lost faith in our senior officers for ever afterwards and have been dubious about the UK military ever since.
Arkroyal are you sure? You would have had to crack on with it like so many did - I had some doubts but thought it was too big to be the lie it ultimately was.
Vividly remember a fellow Senior Rate picking up on the actual legality of the whole war and subsequently being put down by the Captain... we all fell in line like a row of sheep.
Hope Chilcott is honest, brave and not establishment but this is Britain 2015....
We all know that whatever Blair did really doesn't matter now. The devil has made his millions along with the she-devil "campaigning" for Human Rights, but lining the pockets of her family.
I have not noticed the "Pond Life" Blair family ever once championing or ever referring to the servicemen they sent to their deaths.
I am utterly amazed that Blair has lasted so long without being assassinated by the enemies he created. I am sure that sooner or later Mossad ( or more probably the CIA, to protect US perceived interests over Russia) will serve him his due rights. Let's see if the Chilcott enquiry (Now there is another bag of self serving political worms) will exonerate anybody.
Lets be honest, there are only 2 things protecting Blair. The agreement reached between the USA & the UK Government in 2002 and his behind the scenes agreements with Middle East nations.
I am amazed that he has not yet been targeted. I wonder why, & would that be because of the Middle Eastern countries who bankroll his family?
I have not noticed the "Pond Life" Blair family ever once championing or ever referring to the servicemen they sent to their deaths.
I am utterly amazed that Blair has lasted so long without being assassinated by the enemies he created. I am sure that sooner or later Mossad ( or more probably the CIA, to protect US perceived interests over Russia) will serve him his due rights. Let's see if the Chilcott enquiry (Now there is another bag of self serving political worms) will exonerate anybody.
Lets be honest, there are only 2 things protecting Blair. The agreement reached between the USA & the UK Government in 2002 and his behind the scenes agreements with Middle East nations.
I am amazed that he has not yet been targeted. I wonder why, & would that be because of the Middle Eastern countries who bankroll his family?
Hindsight is a marvellous thing
Reading through the thread I'm gratified that there appears to now be a consensus about this vile individual's treasonable culpability in taking UK into an illegal war on behalf of a foreign power (and for his personal vanity) by soliciting deliberate falsification of intelligence data. Of course this falsification was aided and abetted by numerous of his cabal in the "intelligence" services. I entirely agree that Blair should now be sitting in a cell at the ICC awaiting trial - or, preferably, already serving a long sentence. Personally I think that treason of this ultimate severity should still be treated as a capital offence and the man's neck stretched...
However, over the years I've used PPRUNE as a source of informed comment about a range of aviation and related matters this consensus now astonishes me. I wonder what the same commentators were saying in the run-up to the conflict? My gut feeling is that many of them would have been shouting down those, like myself, who saw through the deception from the beginning.
However, over the years I've used PPRUNE as a source of informed comment about a range of aviation and related matters this consensus now astonishes me. I wonder what the same commentators were saying in the run-up to the conflict? My gut feeling is that many of them would have been shouting down those, like myself, who saw through the deception from the beginning.
Shhhhsss. If you speak up on this forum against His Majesty Blair you WILL be investigated & tracked/monitored by MI6 & Special Branch. They can't do Jack S°°° but they WILL cause other problems in your life. I know & left the UK because of the cr+p that our little Bullingdon clubman claims to know nothing about. 
AtomKraft,
Totally agree sir. As a veteran of GW1 I have to say that had I still been in service in the run up to this lie driven conflict I would have refused to take part. You don't need to believe me, my family will confirm my angst at the deployment of our "troops" based on a pack of lies. I lost some very good mates on XV179, they died because Bliar, and let's not forget that CaMoron supported him, lied to the British people, Parliament and the world in general. I despise the basta*d, he needs to be tried by someone other than those who stupidly fell for his waffle. Somehow I suppose it won't happen, we can only hope that a jihadist gets a knife around the blackguards neck.
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Totally agree sir. As a veteran of GW1 I have to say that had I still been in service in the run up to this lie driven conflict I would have refused to take part. You don't need to believe me, my family will confirm my angst at the deployment of our "troops" based on a pack of lies. I lost some very good mates on XV179, they died because Bliar, and let's not forget that CaMoron supported him, lied to the British people, Parliament and the world in general. I despise the basta*d, he needs to be tried by someone other than those who stupidly fell for his waffle. Somehow I suppose it won't happen, we can only hope that a jihadist gets a knife around the blackguards neck.
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Fellas, fellas. Hold on.
Just remember that TB is a pretty straight kinda guy. We know he is because he told us so....
To call him a conviction politician is either a misunderstanding of where he is/was at (particularly after oft-repeated and spurious references to religious faith) or an expression of hope as to his future status after an appearance at the ICC at the Hague.
Just remember that TB is a pretty straight kinda guy. We know he is because he told us so....
To call him a conviction politician is either a misunderstanding of where he is/was at (particularly after oft-repeated and spurious references to religious faith) or an expression of hope as to his future status after an appearance at the ICC at the Hague.
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We, here in OZ, were similarly thrust into GW2 on the basis of manufactured 'evidence' of WMDs etc.
Our PM at the time, "Honest John" Howard would brook no dissent on the veracity of claims made by 'Dubya' and his advisers.
Prime Minister Howard was, over matters not directly related to GW2, described by one of his own parliamentary colleagues as "a lying little rodent".
At the time, I also found it intriguing that the US Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, previously a vocal doubter of the 'evidence', fell into line.
Did someone have a quiet little word in his 'shell-pink ear', I wondered?
The whole thing made me sick then and makes me even sicker today when I see the likes of Bush, Blair and Howard rolling in clover
and attempting to justify the mistake 'we' made.
Our PM at the time, "Honest John" Howard would brook no dissent on the veracity of claims made by 'Dubya' and his advisers.
Prime Minister Howard was, over matters not directly related to GW2, described by one of his own parliamentary colleagues as "a lying little rodent".
At the time, I also found it intriguing that the US Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, previously a vocal doubter of the 'evidence', fell into line.
Did someone have a quiet little word in his 'shell-pink ear', I wondered?
The whole thing made me sick then and makes me even sicker today when I see the likes of Bush, Blair and Howard rolling in clover
and attempting to justify the mistake 'we' made.
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Just for the record, I'm ex Army, but I still can't believe how people fell for the utter bollocks that was presented as a cassus belli for the invasion of Iraq.
One good friend, an ex FAA pilot, was good enough to admit to me years later that I was correct in my 'this is Bull****' view at the time- but he's a clever chap, and I'm just baffled at how a lot of other clever chaps like him were so easily won over by lying tw@ts like Blair.
To be clear, to be a threat, and worthy of attack, Iraq should have had not just the means, but also the intention, of attacking us.
The intention? Highly doubtful. He had bigger problems, much nearer.
The means? Of the WMD, NBC triad, he might possibly have had a chemical or biological capability, despite all his efforts to prove a negative to Hans Blicks et al, but even if he had a chemical capability, as was postulated at the time, how could that constitute a threat to the UK without a means of delivery?
We KNEW he had no strategic Air Force or navy, so was he going to mail the chemicals to us?
Far too many of the citizens of the UK are gullible idiots.
Our military leaders, sadly, are amongst them.
And as for the Tories, they were the only ones who could have stopped our Tone, but utterly predictably, they fell right in behind him. Pathetic.
I now live and work abroad, and while GW2 was not the motivator for that, I'm very happy to have weakened my links with the Country that used to be 'Great' Britain.
The lack of balls during that whole escapade was shocking.
One good friend, an ex FAA pilot, was good enough to admit to me years later that I was correct in my 'this is Bull****' view at the time- but he's a clever chap, and I'm just baffled at how a lot of other clever chaps like him were so easily won over by lying tw@ts like Blair.
To be clear, to be a threat, and worthy of attack, Iraq should have had not just the means, but also the intention, of attacking us.
The intention? Highly doubtful. He had bigger problems, much nearer.
The means? Of the WMD, NBC triad, he might possibly have had a chemical or biological capability, despite all his efforts to prove a negative to Hans Blicks et al, but even if he had a chemical capability, as was postulated at the time, how could that constitute a threat to the UK without a means of delivery?
We KNEW he had no strategic Air Force or navy, so was he going to mail the chemicals to us?
Far too many of the citizens of the UK are gullible idiots.
Our military leaders, sadly, are amongst them.
And as for the Tories, they were the only ones who could have stopped our Tone, but utterly predictably, they fell right in behind him. Pathetic.
I now live and work abroad, and while GW2 was not the motivator for that, I'm very happy to have weakened my links with the Country that used to be 'Great' Britain.
The lack of balls during that whole escapade was shocking.
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Of course it was AFTER we had our Anthrax and Bubonic Plague jabs in GW1 that the first scud landed outside Riyadh. Our expert in rocketry from the Ground Rats told us that it had to have so much fuel load to reach Riyadh that there was no space for a viable warhead. "Not even an Anthrak?" we asked. "Nope, Nada, Nichts" he responded.
So it was no surprise that WMD was a busted flush.
GW1 had an objective as has already been posted. Liberate Kuwait.
GW2 was an exercise in self aggrandisement for both Blair and Bush Jr.
So it was no surprise that WMD was a busted flush.
GW1 had an objective as has already been posted. Liberate Kuwait.
GW2 was an exercise in self aggrandisement for both Blair and Bush Jr.
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Dougie,
And, I would say, 'certain vested interests'.
And to all youse out there who don't get it... It's all about "Freedom".
Don't rock the boat, now, y'hear?
I say this as a survivor of a previous military adventure.
Sorry, gotta go now - men in black suits 'n all.
And, I would say, 'certain vested interests'.
And to all youse out there who don't get it... It's all about "Freedom".
Don't rock the boat, now, y'hear?
I say this as a survivor of a previous military adventure.
Sorry, gotta go now - men in black suits 'n all.
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AtomKraft wrote: Far too many of the citizens of the UK are gullible idiots.
Two centuries earlier the great Doctor Samuel Johnson said "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labour; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it."
Not a lot has changed...............
Two centuries earlier the great Doctor Samuel Johnson said "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labour; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it."
Not a lot has changed...............
I must just say how refreshing this thread is. It is good to see that so many sensible people recognise the wrong doing of GW2. Sadly, it has been repeated in Libya and now Syria. The only foreign military aircraft operating legitimately over Syria, according to international law/UN are the Russians. Yet our media spouts the party line, even repeating the concern that Russian strikes are directed against groups formed/equipped by the CIA ! So just think about it, how did that mess start ? There seems to be a common denominator in all these conflicts, with the same poodle trotting along behind every damn time. As for Bliar, I despise the man but doubt the system that he serves will deal with him. That system is rotten and corrupt to the core.
I frequent this hallowed place as I grew up with the military and have done my little bit in uniform too, which leads to my purpose in posting a question......
I have experienced the pressure that is put on individuals in questionable situations and on one occasion have refused to comply with an order, as it was not lawful. The person threatened me with discipline, but backed down when I stood my ground. Now I know that our military act on the instructions of Auntie Lilibets Ministers, but should the High Command not draw the line at illegal actions ? I believe that international law and the rules of conflict are taught at Staff College level, so does that not confer culpability on them ? Answers on a postcard...
As for you chaps watching this from the shadows, examine your conscience.
I frequent this hallowed place as I grew up with the military and have done my little bit in uniform too, which leads to my purpose in posting a question......
I have experienced the pressure that is put on individuals in questionable situations and on one occasion have refused to comply with an order, as it was not lawful. The person threatened me with discipline, but backed down when I stood my ground. Now I know that our military act on the instructions of Auntie Lilibets Ministers, but should the High Command not draw the line at illegal actions ? I believe that international law and the rules of conflict are taught at Staff College level, so does that not confer culpability on them ? Answers on a postcard...
As for you chaps watching this from the shadows, examine your conscience.
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I'm sorry: Blair takes blame for Iraq War and admits conflict caused the rise of ISIS in astonishing apology in US TV show | Daily Mail Online
The Evil one must be a Pprune reader and has spotted this thread.
I did GW1 but was out before Gulf Invasion 2 and agree with all the others who have lost all confidence in our leaders.
The Evil one must be a Pprune reader and has spotted this thread.
I did GW1 but was out before Gulf Invasion 2 and agree with all the others who have lost all confidence in our leaders.