Russia sends four SU27s to Syria
Some of the MiG-21 images being used in the media are from a 2013 shoot down video.
Rebels claim they shot down a Russian (or Syrian) aircraft in Ghouta | Al Bawaba
Rebels claim they shot down a Russian (or Syrian) aircraft in Ghouta | Al Bawaba
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Whatever American official claimed that the Russian incursion into Turkish airspace was deliberate ... I find that claim extraordinary. It is far more likely to have been a modest nav error. The Turks appear to have responded in a professional and restrained fashion. (Well played, Turkish Air Force!)
I recall a few "close to the line" incidents along the Iran Iraq border between our jets and the Iranian folks watching the airspace. Each of them was one of those small goofs (and in both cases tied to a particular holding pattern a tanker was maintaining not far from the airspace limits) and handled via radio comms ... with one ending up in a fairly vociferous protest that ended up in our defense attaché's office.
I also recall some Pakistani F-16's scrambling against our aircraft near the Afghanistan/Pakistan border, even though we were allegedly working together and they were given a copy of our ATO so that they'd know when to expect us. (The DAO in Pakistan had to deal with those
's on a daily basis, our HQ only sometimes).\
My point is: the Turks and Russians have lots of ways to avoid something like this getting worse, and have lots of ways of managing/handling it.
This won't lead to much of anything beyond a few nasty notes back and forth between military staffs and embassies.
I recall a few "close to the line" incidents along the Iran Iraq border between our jets and the Iranian folks watching the airspace. Each of them was one of those small goofs (and in both cases tied to a particular holding pattern a tanker was maintaining not far from the airspace limits) and handled via radio comms ... with one ending up in a fairly vociferous protest that ended up in our defense attaché's office.
I also recall some Pakistani F-16's scrambling against our aircraft near the Afghanistan/Pakistan border, even though we were allegedly working together and they were given a copy of our ATO so that they'd know when to expect us. (The DAO in Pakistan had to deal with those
's on a daily basis, our HQ only sometimes).\My point is: the Turks and Russians have lots of ways to avoid something like this getting worse, and have lots of ways of managing/handling it.
This won't lead to much of anything beyond a few nasty notes back and forth between military staffs and embassies.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Maybe, but lest we forget, the Syrians did shoot down a Turkish F-4 a few months back, and the Turks have shot down a couple of Syrians since. And the Turks are supporting the rebels the Russians are bombing.
I can recall discussing, (many, many, years ago, when the Shah was still in power and after a USAF C-130 was reputedly meakoned across the border and shot down) on the relationship between the Iranians and the Russians; did they have any border problems I asked?
"None whatsoever" the Iranian colonel replied; "if we cross the border they shoot us down; and if they cross the border we shoot them down."
I can recall discussing, (many, many, years ago, when the Shah was still in power and after a USAF C-130 was reputedly meakoned across the border and shot down) on the relationship between the Iranians and the Russians; did they have any border problems I asked?
"None whatsoever" the Iranian colonel replied; "if we cross the border they shoot us down; and if they cross the border we shoot them down."
Looks like the Syrians are playing a dangerous game with their own jets near the Turkish border? Reports of a MiG-29 locking radar onto Turkish F-16s. The Russian Air Force is not known to have deployed MiG-29s to Syria.
Turkey says Russian warplane violated its airspace | World news | The Guardian
Turkey’s military also said that on Sunday an MIG-29 jet harassed two Turkish F-16s for 5min 40sec by locking its radar on to them. The military said the incident occurred while 10 F-16s were patrolling the Turkish-Syrian border, adding that it did it not know to which country the MIG-29 belonged.
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Prosentia :
" The whole point of a LEGAD is to provide the counter-point view if needed, to act as Devil's advocate as it were "
And WHY would we need a Devil's advocate ? are we in a Court of Justice, or in a battlefield ?
Too many american movies featuring lawyers and courts, I'm afraid
" The whole point of a LEGAD is to provide the counter-point view if needed, to act as Devil's advocate as it were "
And WHY would we need a Devil's advocate ? are we in a Court of Justice, or in a battlefield ?
Too many american movies featuring lawyers and courts, I'm afraid
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Radar.
Green = USA
Yellow = Russia
Source: Russians make closest contact to date with U.S. war planes over Syria - CBS News
Green = USA
Yellow = Russia
Source: Russians make closest contact to date with U.S. war planes over Syria - CBS News
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Glad Rag, would you be so kind as to tell us about the bomb shown in the Telegraph today. Vanes on the nose, no visible fusing, a pipe mounted externally, looks most odd.
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Russian cluster bomb use in Syria: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena...-use-in-syria/
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Sorry PN my EOD ID booklet is back at HQ......many miles away..
Interesting find..seems the ruskies don't bother making them go bang if they don't fuse then
Yank "original" version..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-97...r_Fuzed_Weapon
"If a Skeet fails to find a target, it self-destructs 50 feet (15 m) above the ground; if this fails, a back-up timer disables the Skeet. These features are intended to avoid later civilian casualties from unexploded munitions, and result in an unexploded-ordnance rate of less than 1%."
Interesting find..seems the ruskies don't bother making them go bang if they don't fuse then
Yank "original" version..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-97...r_Fuzed_Weapon
"If a Skeet fails to find a target, it self-destructs 50 feet (15 m) above the ground; if this fails, a back-up timer disables the Skeet. These features are intended to avoid later civilian casualties from unexploded munitions, and result in an unexploded-ordnance rate of less than 1%."
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2 Eclectic:
1. Definition of the cluster munition (that is banned by some countries):
The definition of a cluster munition under Article 2 of the Convention on Cluster Munitions is “a conventional munition that is designed to disperse or release explosive submunitions each weighing less than 20 kilograms, and includes those explosive submunitions.”
Source: http://www.stopclustermunitions.org/en-gb/cluster-bombs/what-is-a-cluster-bomb.aspx
2. Russian RBK-500-SPBE mentioned here weighs 500 kg and has 15 self-guided sub-munitions, please, see
http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/ab/rbk500.html (these numbers - 500 and 15 - are in the first line of the text in cyrillic)
Thus, this bomb does not fall into the category of the banned metal (500/15 = 33.33 kg). BTW, this was mentioned by someone in the first comment after the article you referred to (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2015/10/06/mounting-evidence-of-russian-cluster-bomb-use-in-syria/ )
3. But even if it fell (into the cluster category), this would simply mean, IMHO, inadequacy of the above definition. Obviously, using self-guided submunitions aimed exclusively at armored vehicles, would bring no more harm to infantry (or jihadists on the mules in this case) than a couple of machine-guns in "skilled hands" of a tank or IFV crew.
1. Definition of the cluster munition (that is banned by some countries):
The definition of a cluster munition under Article 2 of the Convention on Cluster Munitions is “a conventional munition that is designed to disperse or release explosive submunitions each weighing less than 20 kilograms, and includes those explosive submunitions.”
Source: http://www.stopclustermunitions.org/en-gb/cluster-bombs/what-is-a-cluster-bomb.aspx
2. Russian RBK-500-SPBE mentioned here weighs 500 kg and has 15 self-guided sub-munitions, please, see
http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/ab/rbk500.html (these numbers - 500 and 15 - are in the first line of the text in cyrillic)
Thus, this bomb does not fall into the category of the banned metal (500/15 = 33.33 kg). BTW, this was mentioned by someone in the first comment after the article you referred to (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2015/10/06/mounting-evidence-of-russian-cluster-bomb-use-in-syria/ )
3. But even if it fell (into the cluster category), this would simply mean, IMHO, inadequacy of the above definition. Obviously, using self-guided submunitions aimed exclusively at armored vehicles, would bring no more harm to infantry (or jihadists on the mules in this case) than a couple of machine-guns in "skilled hands" of a tank or IFV crew.
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GR, no link but it was in today's Telegraph however I did find this link
The Smart Weapons Russia is Using in Syria
It is not as clear as the Telegraph but appears to be the same.
The Smart Weapons Russia is Using in Syria
It is not as clear as the Telegraph but appears to be the same.
Any ideas on what this Russian ordinance is?
