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Russia sends four SU27s to Syria

Old 24th Nov 2015, 09:49
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Looks like from today the Russians might be a little more circumspect about flying through other peoples airspace without permission!
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Old 25th Nov 2015, 12:12
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Russian to deploy S-400 in Syria

Russia is deploying S-400 Triumf (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) next generation surface-to-air missile systems to the Hmeymim airbase in Syria where the Russian Aerospace Forces group is stationed, according to Russian Defense Minister Gen. Sergei Shoigu.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin agrees with the Defense Ministry's proposal to deploy S-400 missile defense systems to the Syrian airbase.

“By the decision of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief S-400s will be deployed to Hmeymim airbase in Syria to provide comprehensive air defense,” Shoigu said.
S-400 Will be Deployed at Syrian Airbase Hmeymim - Russian Defense Minister

The Russian Navy guided missile cruiser Moskva has deployed off Latakia to provide additional air defence cover. The Moskva is equipped with S-300 surface to air missiles.

Three steps as announced by top brass:

Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended
https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russi...litary-turkey/

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Old 25th Nov 2015, 12:17
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Looks like from today the Russians might be a little more circumspect about
flying through other peoples airspace without permission!
And the Turks will be asking Syria for permission to fly into their airspace?
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Old 25th Nov 2015, 12:42
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Is this the first time S400 has been deployed?

As the Russians are going to deploy S400 to protect their airbase, it will be interesting to see what intelligence gathering assets are used to probe its capabilities.

It might be interesting to see if any F22s are tasked to Europe for a tactic development mission.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 18:48
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I wouldnt have believed it.

Way back up this thread I said Russia would never deploy, and nothing would come of this thread (or words similar). How wrong I was.
I take it the deployment of the air defence missiles is not for the defence of the Russian expeditionary airbase from attack by Turks, but to project the defence of their aircraft way out over Syria ("comprehensive air defense") as the spokesman says, or the Turkish border, am I correct?
I know very little about Russian missiles, but how good is it in comparison to say, Royal Navy Sea Dart (now defunct but the only one I've ever seen fired, I think). So it will attack any F16 that gets airborne in that region?


Is this the now pretty rapid spiral into an expanding global conflict?
I emailed my M.P repeatedly yesterday and the day before and asked her to vote against RAF air strikes, or air attacks - on any targets in Syria when the vote comes next week. I've been ignored - think she will back the PM for a war escalation, somehow -most of the people fall into line when push come to shove.
I cant understand the hard sell on the war. Its simply not compelling enough a case for me and not worthy of the risk of escalation, to be honest.
If you are in on this, taking part in future war in this region and are planning for it now, then good luck and take care.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 18:53
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This graphic was doing the rounds when the Russian Defence Ministry first announced they were moving the S400 air defence batteries to Humaymim.

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Old 26th Nov 2015, 19:11
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The range of the weapon is incredible, looking at that graphic. The PPRuNe lot on here are pretty expert, but the average member of the UK public like me seems to have no idea really, of the power and potential of these weapons.
I find it horrifying, the potential here for escalation, I make no bones about it.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 19:18
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it's only theoretical range though, however I'd still not be on the other side testing it...
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Hangarshuffle View Post
The range of the weapon is incredible, looking at that graphic. The PPRuNe lot on here are pretty expert, but the average member of the UK public like me seems to have no idea really, of the power and potential of these weapons.
I find it horrifying, the potential here for escalation, I make no bones about it.
Surface to air missiles.
There appear to be four with each truck/launcher.
The radar doubtless has a signature.

I'd drop the Chicken Little act, except for one thing: the folks flying commercial air will probably get a little itchy and worried on certain vectors toward Syria and Southern Turkey when flying routes in that region. This will take some planning and some communication.

Might be a nice idea to contact Russian consular officials on one's home country, were I running an airline, and ask about procedures and comms protocols to maximize the chances to minimize any mistake.

Here's an idea:
The Russians don't want to shoot down a COMMAIR by accident.
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Russia has a warm water port that it has wanted for about a century. NOTHING is going to dislodge them from that. And if, at a later stage of escalation, their base is under threat from <insert anyone here> they will defend it to the death [of others].

So, with a secure base, they can do what they like and neither Turkey, not NATO, or the US can do anything about it. They will fly THEIR missions according to THEIR agenda. Period.

Another little nibble into the borders of the West, just like Crimea and Ukraine.
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Old 28th Nov 2015, 20:10
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
Russia has a warm water port that it has wanted for about a century. NOTHING is going to dislodge them from that. And if, at a later stage of escalation, their base is under threat from <insert anyone here> they will defend it to the death [of others].

So, with a secure base, they can do what they like and neither Turkey, not NATO, or the US can do anything about it. They will fly THEIR missions according to THEIR agenda. Period.

Another little nibble into the borders of the West, just like Crimea and Ukraine.
How is the Russians boosting their presence in Syria a nibble at the West? They were running about there in Syria since before I was in the Eastern Med in the early 80's.
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I wouldn't want to fly anywhere in that region now, at all.
Way too much aggression is now coming to the surface by many nations, my own included. All this will have a detrimental affect on the whole regions economy generally as an aside..
Needs to be de-escalated by sensible people, who seem generally in a short supply.This so needs to be sorted out around a table, quickly.


Still cant see what throwing British RAF aircraft into the mix will somehow even remotely help in a volatile situation.
Chicken Little act? 100 years of Britain involved in war after conflict after war have made me weary of reading of it and scared for our people being involved (again) with it, in any way at all.


No reply from my M.P. or her aid about my sincere request for her to vote against it (the vote on an air war for starters). It says it all. They must have ripped the poppies off their jackets in the blink of an eye.


Anyone who speaks out against the coming war is prone to horrible ridicule - this mornings cartoons in the Daily Telegraph (a fading newspaper now) about Corbyn were a disgusting spectacle, and have been for days. But its exactly the British Leader of the Oppositions role to do just about exactly that-take the counterpoint up on behalf of the voters who didn't vote for Cameron. I would like him to shout it out. Winning future elections are irrelevant right now, I want someone, anyone - to advocate some anti-war politics, just for once.
Anyway, goodnight.
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People are getting a little hysterical about a SAM.
The Russians have quite reasonably brought in a little muscle to protect their aircraft, or at least give them the ability to bite back.

It is in no way a game changer for our aircraft flying around.
Why?
Because it is so vulnerable.
If it was used against NATO aircraft it would be destroyed.

As has been mentioned before, it is within range or Turkish/British artillery. It has no survivability.

It is a statement of will, not an actual enduring capability.
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Fixed that for you........


Here's an idea:
The Russians don't want to shoot down another COMMAIR by accident.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mala...ines_Flight_17
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Why Syria is to Turkey what Ukraine is to Russia
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Excellent article
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"If it was used against NATO aircraft it would be destroyed."

depends, if it was used against turkish aircraft NATO would do nothing and it's questionable what turkey would do, however if it was used against other NATO countries...well I don't want to imagine that
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Why wouldn't Turkey and NATO destroy it? They are not scared of Russia, and why should they be.

After all, they already destroyed one Russian with NATO's backing and no significant response.
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umm because of ~10.000 nuclear warheads and KGB dude in Kremlin apparently ready to use them?!
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umm because of ~10.000 nuclear warheads and KGB dude in Kremlin apparently ready to use them?!
Putin is a very very clever guy, and ruthless. That is not the same as crazy.

He is no more interested in nuclear war than we are.
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