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Maritime Patrol Capability: The SDSR’s Wolf Whistle

Old 28th Sep 2015, 16:26
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Tory party Conference next week

Bit worrying there are no "leaks" of increased spending on the Armed Forces yet..........

If nothing is announced /leaked by the end of their Conference it probably means the SDSR is a ways off - and not very encouraging either..........
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Old 28th Sep 2015, 16:56
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How on earth did you reach that conclusion when you've just had DSEI where all the Service chiefs and SofS set out their stall.

It would also be a bit silly to leak news of an announcement when the review is in full swing, thus prejudging the findings of the review before its actually done.
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Old 28th Sep 2015, 17:07
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Tory party Conference next week

Bit worrying there are no "leaks" of increased spending on the Armed Forces yet..........
You've obviously missed the Government's announcement (fudge) that they are committing to 2% of GDP then. Or were you expecting more?
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Old 28th Sep 2015, 17:33
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Jimlad, leak during a review, oh never, what an idea.

Our political masters are past masters at leaking just to test the waters.
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 15:11
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JimLad - DSEI means nothing to Joe Public

and the SO's "setting out their stall" is exactly correct - getting their lobbying in first but they don't take the decisions - we'd be better off listening at the Treasury key-hole I think

what I'm looking for is a sign that our political lords and masters have decided anything....... and so far its very very quiet.................
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 16:56
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HH,

its almost certain that the politicos are/were waiting to see how Labour and Corbyn faired at conference - every bugger knows that the PLP and Corby are completely at ods over defence, and the Tories are waiting to see if Labour implodes all by itself or needs a push.

it looks like they'll need a push - Corbyn has quite sensibly 'back-burnered' his Defence agenda and is waiting for Conference 2016 (which will be the first conference under which his rules on policy making will apply) to start setting policies that he knows the PLP won't stomach.

the tories take the view that his domestic economics stuff - housebuilding, taxation etc... will be pretty popular with the electorate, so they need to throw a spanner in his works before he can start making real traction with those proposals. so, (in my political opinion) expect a series of votes on defence/FP issues that will split Labour assunder...

MPA, Trident, Syria, SDSR etc.. all will make Labour look utterly divided and spending its time decending into interminalabe interniccene infighting.
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interesting idea - ............. tho not sure that defence swings many votes TBH
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"tho not sure that defence swings many votes TBH".

It did in the past though!!

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actually, to update my view of just two days ago, Labour have imploded over defence - all on their own and with no help from anyone.

the tories may now not see the need to add to the conflagration with announcements on MPA etc... perhaps they'll feel that they should keep such things is reserve, just in case Labour somehow manages to plaster over the schisam thats developed over defence policy/posture when they can helpfully be used to re-ingnite Labours civil war...
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been travelling - can'tsee any defence announcements in the headlines.............
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HH,

there was a bit at the start of the conference - the replacement of our reapers with twice the number of new reapers, and some fluff about SF.

the MPA stuff has obviously been left to the SDSR, it makes it more 'fireproof' politically, and its obvious (politically) that the Tories have no need to intrude on Labours public grief over all things defence. that hornets nest is buzzing all of its own accord, theres no need to waste a stick that might be useful in the future on it.
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Sounds as if P8a would be a hell of lot better than nothing, which is the present position.
What else is there, and how soon could we get any.
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I agree with you

but read the posts earlier in the same thread - alternatives have been discused to death..........
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see our Lords & Masters have agreed to buy a much needed new research/patrol vessel for Antarctica -

there must be some spare cash around after all - here's hoping
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HH,

Corbyn made a comment not long after becoming Labour leader about coming to a negotiated agreement with Argentina over the future of the Falklands, including joint governance.

A slightly biased link, but it gives the background to Corbyn's stance:


Jeremy Corbyn's Falklands plan tantamount to surrender to Argentina, warns wounded veteran Simon Weston - Telegraph


I noticed that the Tories made a comment, no doubt in response, that the Falklands was safe on their "watch". Perhaps the new patrol/research vessel is in part making good on that commitment?
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HH do you mean HMS Protector? I ask because though she's relatively new to UK plc she was chartered in 2011 and bought outright in 2013. Or is there something else recently announced that I've missed, in which case do you have a reference pse?
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This one? Cammell Laird in Birkenhead 'to build' polar research ship - BBC News
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Not RN, though, so not being paid for out of the Defence budget.
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indeed but it shows there is cash for capabilities in desperate need of renewal

we can but hope it stretches to some sort of MPA............
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Thanks, that would be it.
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