Maritime Patrol Capability: The SDSR’s Wolf Whistle
I can't help but think that the Japanese requirements for maritime surveillance should be very much like our own. Both island nations surrounded by sea, off a major continent where there are/could be problems emerging. So surely the P1 could well be set up pretty well exactly as we would want it - as it comes off the production line?
Umm, what are those big grey helicopters I see buzzing around the skies most days?
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Yeah, as late as 2025...how they're rumoured to be planning on manning the back seats, I have no idea. All rumours of course...
3 weeks and counting to some much needed certainty.
3 weeks and counting to some much needed certainty.
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I have just returned from overseas and the US news held several storylines of concern over MPA capability even with a country with an enviable MPA fleet. It appears that Russian submarines have taken to tracking underwater communications cables, paying particular attention to locations upon which repair of a damaged cable would be very difficult, and thus render international communications 'at risk'. Now the cynic in me does wonder why such hostile attention is not being given around the UK where we rely on Cold War underwater listening facilities. Though in all likliehood we ARE also under such a threat. I hasten to add that this is all in the US public domain being overtly voiced by the military hierarchy in protest against austerity in the US Navy.
The timeline for a UK MPA always was decision in 2015 for a resource online by 2020. There is still time for that to happen. FWIW; if we are to leave Europe, we could do a lot worse than restore the pre-WWII military exchange with Japan. The Japanese Navy in those days was steered by UK advisors. Having seen the Japanese MPA at RIAT: I quite liked it, even if it is physically smaller than Poseidon. Four engines = insurance when required / Two engines = worried about the effects of salt ingestion with limited options should an engine fail at very low level.
The timeline for a UK MPA always was decision in 2015 for a resource online by 2020. There is still time for that to happen. FWIW; if we are to leave Europe, we could do a lot worse than restore the pre-WWII military exchange with Japan. The Japanese Navy in those days was steered by UK advisors. Having seen the Japanese MPA at RIAT: I quite liked it, even if it is physically smaller than Poseidon. Four engines = insurance when required / Two engines = worried about the effects of salt ingestion with limited options should an engine fail at very low level.
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Originally Posted by Bastardeux
Against every rumour in the Air Force then...
Fallon recently said something along the lines of the Chancellor giving us the opportunity to put savings back into the the frontline. To most, a coded message about savings required to invest elsewhere. He also listed a number of big commitments that aren't open for discussion and a number of "ring fenced" spending commitments. The maths are looking increasingly chilly.
Continuing Typhoon improvements need funding from somewhere and the move to a single type to cover all the fast jet type commitments is hard to argue against. The 'Fin' (with its associated rear seat manning issue) may be in someone's sights.
Against every rumour in the "Air Force"? Please tell me more.
In line with the thread topic, that ain't going to pay for a new MPA.
Pure Pusuit, your point is well made.
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Prior to our Remembrance Day church service in our small New Forest community I noticed a young RN submariner in uniform, a rare sight here. I went & introduced myself & he told me that he was at present serving on a T-boat.
When I told him that I was ex Nimrod he burst forth with " these days we are desperate for Nimrod assistance !! "
Need I say more Mr. Cameron???
When I told him that I was ex Nimrod he burst forth with " these days we are desperate for Nimrod assistance !! "
Need I say more Mr. Cameron???
I thought P3E was being rolled out in 2019. Let's put the obligatory BAe slip in there and we're probably looking at a 2021 fleet-wide embodiment in Typhoon. So my guess is Tornado to go in 2022 (40 years since ISD!!!).
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Mmm,
Call me a pessimist but £2Bn just announced as extra funding for SF in addition to a huge increase in spook numbers, seems like a similar cost to a new MPA/MMA.
I also hear rumours of 'Unfair lack of competition' being touted against a direct P8 buy.
However, the good news is we only have one week to find out. Keeping fingers crossed...
Call me a pessimist but £2Bn just announced as extra funding for SF in addition to a huge increase in spook numbers, seems like a similar cost to a new MPA/MMA.
I also hear rumours of 'Unfair lack of competition' being touted against a direct P8 buy.
However, the good news is we only have one week to find out. Keeping fingers crossed...
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It's just been announced that the HMC&E Maritime Patrol contract for the Dornier 228 operated most successfully by FRA at Hurn for over 20 years will cease wef 6 Jan 2016.
At least there's an additional £4million towards a Nimrod replacement!!
At least there's an additional £4million towards a Nimrod replacement!!
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That sums it up. We are arguing about 'unfair competition' while the terror organisations wander around various locations unchallenged........rather than just buying what we want/need. I'm all in favour of competition but for simple things like cleaning services - not frontline capabilities - we should have the kit we need.
BAes need to realise that they won't win everything. That is business I'm afraid. You SHOULD win if you supply the best offering, not the most politically loaded............... (mixed naivety here)
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That sums it up. We are arguing about 'unfair competition' while the terror organisations wander around various locations unchallenged........rather than just buying what we want/need. I'm all in favour of competition but for simple things like cleaning services - not frontline capabilities - we should have the kit we need.
BAes need to realise that they won't win everything. That is business I'm afraid. You SHOULD win if you supply the best offering, not the most politically loaded............... (mixed naivety here)
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depending on how the rest of the day goes, i may well be offering to felate the PM on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square, live on tv while the choir from Kings College sings 'Zadog the Priest'.
depending on how the rest of the day goes, i may well be offering to felate the PM on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square, live on tv while the choir from Kings College sings 'Zadog the Priest'.