Hawker Hunter Crash at Shoreham Airshow
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But Ghengis, the CAA report is about air display flying in general, it isn't a "final" report on the Shoreham incident.
Point taken - although it was initiated as a result of Shoreham, and the introduction by Dame Dierdre.H starts..
Although she does go on to say that AAIB are investigating the specific accident, and CAA may make further changes after the publication of that report.
I was misled by the headlines, particularly the one on the Flyer website (and their twitter feed) which says..
Which as you've pointed out, was a rather misleading headline.
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We commenced this Review of UK Civil Air Displays the morning after the tragic
accident at Shoreham in August last year,
accident at Shoreham in August last year,
I was misled by the headlines, particularly the one on the Flyer website (and their twitter feed) which says..
CAA issues final report on Shoreham Airshow crash
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The introduction by Dame Dierdre Hutton states very clearly:
The original link does not work consistently.
Try this: CAP1400: UK civil air display review: final report
The introduction by Dame Dierdre Hutton states very clearly:
I should first make clear that this has not been an investigation into the accident at Shoreham.
The original link does not work consistently.
Try this: CAP1400: UK civil air display review: final report
Here's the link to the download page.
CAP1400: UK civil air display review: final report
The point is, that 'This is the final report from our Civil Air Display Review' - not the AAIB.
CAP1400: UK civil air display review: final report
The point is, that 'This is the final report from our Civil Air Display Review' - not the AAIB.
FL - yes.
My sin here is that I had Flyer up in another window, and their headline said "CAA issues final report on Shoreham Airshow crash"; which was clearly not the case - as I'd already corrected above.
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My sin here is that I had Flyer up in another window, and their headline said "CAA issues final report on Shoreham Airshow crash"; which was clearly not the case - as I'd already corrected above.
G
FL, et al, relating to the discussion circa #1490; the resume and comments on the book chapter at https://hfeinpractice.wordpress.com/...ining-failure/ provides an interesting view on the related aspects.
Note the point about where you start an investigation (frame of reference). Seeking understanding and learning might consider the wider system and the process interaction (flight safety), but those seeking retribution might be more likely to focus on the human, error and blame (legal process).
What you look for is what you find.
The preceding and following chapters consider other aspects; indeed the whole book review is worth reading for a practitioner / academic view of 'their' subject. But perhaps we and they should consider who are the real practitioners, the people doing the job or those who believe that they know how the job is or should be done; and of course whether this view is before or after an event.
Where is the real gap between the views of human factors?
Note the point about where you start an investigation (frame of reference). Seeking understanding and learning might consider the wider system and the process interaction (flight safety), but those seeking retribution might be more likely to focus on the human, error and blame (legal process).
What you look for is what you find.
The preceding and following chapters consider other aspects; indeed the whole book review is worth reading for a practitioner / academic view of 'their' subject. But perhaps we and they should consider who are the real practitioners, the people doing the job or those who believe that they know how the job is or should be done; and of course whether this view is before or after an event.
Where is the real gap between the views of human factors?
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Are the Hunters now flying, I think one was climbing out of Kemble this morning?
Are the Hunters now flying, I think one was climbing out of Kemble this morning?
Hunty
The one you saw fly out of Kemble today was T-7 XL577, which was starting it flight to Jorden with a c/s of RJAF577. It flew to Friedrichshafen then onto Jorden.
The one you saw fly out of Kemble today was T-7 XL577, which was starting it flight to Jorden with a c/s of RJAF577. It flew to Friedrichshafen then onto Jorden.
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So in essence civilian Hunter's are not grounded ! or there must be scope from within the CAA to provide dispensation to allow civilian Hunter's to fly ?
The CAA gave a similar dispensation 20 odd years ago for the Buccaneer's that were not allowed to fly on G-reg in UK but were allowed to be airtested and then flown out of the UK on their ferry flights down to Thunder City in SA.
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how do you figure RJAF is a civil reg?
Would seem a touch cynical to stop it flying on the civil register then allow the same airframe to fly in UK airspace if the registration has been changed to a foreign one, the CAA website doesn't state transferred to the RJAF, so it would be interesting to know if it was returned to a military airframe again under the RJAF just to get around the grounding of civil Hunters ?
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He is now being investigated for manslaughter
Shoreham crash pilot investigated for manslaughter - BBC News
Shoreham crash pilot investigated for manslaughter - BBC News
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Just to point out that the news release states that AH was interviewed under caution in December, so this is not a new development. It has only come to light because the police want access to the info collected by the AAIB and hence have had to go to the High Court.