Syrian MiG-31 Foxhound Delivery....allegedly
yupp but even with russian pilots what will they use them for? Hard to imagine that israelis or turks will attack russian planes so they'll need aerial supremacy...
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Or Ynet news is taking over from Debka? Debka normally generates these bogus news stories in order to get hits.
This has come up before and quite recently.
From 4th August 2015.
https://www.rt.com/news/311583-russi...ps-syria-isis/
Now it starts to make sense
This has come up before and quite recently.
From 4th August 2015.
Russia not planning to send troops to fight ISIS in Syria – Putin’s spokesman
The participation of the Russian military alongside the US in the fight against Islamic State militants in Syria, is not on the agenda, said Dmitry Peskov, the presidential press-secretary.
“No, this isn’t being discussed in any way. This issue isn’t on the agenda,” Peskov told reporters on Tuesday when asked about the possibility of Russian military involvement in Syria.
The press-secretary also told the media that Syrian President Bashar Assad, had never asked his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to send troops to battle IS (formerly ISIS/ISIL).
The participation of the Russian military alongside the US in the fight against Islamic State militants in Syria, is not on the agenda, said Dmitry Peskov, the presidential press-secretary.
“No, this isn’t being discussed in any way. This issue isn’t on the agenda,” Peskov told reporters on Tuesday when asked about the possibility of Russian military involvement in Syria.
The press-secretary also told the media that Syrian President Bashar Assad, had never asked his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to send troops to battle IS (formerly ISIS/ISIL).
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I don't see the training being an issue - the Syrian AF could train in Russia, and could have been training for a while.
All the other factors, I couldn't comment on. The massive rolling fustercluck in that area is well beyond my amateur comprehension.
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It's an efficient move by Russia. They could have sent some ground attack types to fight 'ISIS' but by sending AD aircraft they cut to the chase and prevent the no fly zone.
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"...as was shown with the shoot down of a Turkish F4 Syria had a good air defence infrastructure."
They might have had good AD infrastructure, well even that is doubtful, but given the rings that the IAF ran around the Syrians it was anything but effective. Fast and low fly past of Assad's summer house on the coast, striking PLO camps outside Damascus, taking out the odd nuclear facility (2007 - all open source info)...their IADS wasn't up to much at the best of times let alone now.
They might have had good AD infrastructure, well even that is doubtful, but given the rings that the IAF ran around the Syrians it was anything but effective. Fast and low fly past of Assad's summer house on the coast, striking PLO camps outside Damascus, taking out the odd nuclear facility (2007 - all open source info)...their IADS wasn't up to much at the best of times let alone now.
LT Selfridge,
The MiG-31 story is bogus.
No MiG-31s for Damascus: Russia Denies Sending Interceptors to Syria
The MiG-31 story is bogus.
Russia has not sent Mikoyan MiG-31 supersonic interceptors to Syria and does not intend to operate the aircraft in the war-torn country, CEO of Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG Sergei Korotkov stated refuting recent rumors.
"They'd be better off with attack helos "
Better than 500 T-90 Tanks, KA-50 helicopters, MI-24 Hinds, S-300 SAMS or 1000 Bear bombers (Ok, the 25 that can actually fly)
..................pick out the 10,000 most indebted, alcoholic, pissed off and in good physical shape, well armed Spetnaz soldiers, drop them in Raqqa with little support with orders to kill every male with a long beard for $50,000 (proof of scalp) and the return every certified Yazdhi female for $100,00 a head, then make their way to a certified Jordanian, Israeli checkpoint for a payday.
Get real, for a few bucks, much cheaper than any western military campaign, these ISIS arse clowns could be tacked on the wall of every western SOF squad bar within 30 days provided we drop the rules and take off the gloves.
Won't work though. The luvvies would rather see hundreds of bodies of refugee kids wash up on the beaches rather than to do what's right, no matter how distasteful if may seem.
Anyone object?
Better than 500 T-90 Tanks, KA-50 helicopters, MI-24 Hinds, S-300 SAMS or 1000 Bear bombers (Ok, the 25 that can actually fly)
..................pick out the 10,000 most indebted, alcoholic, pissed off and in good physical shape, well armed Spetnaz soldiers, drop them in Raqqa with little support with orders to kill every male with a long beard for $50,000 (proof of scalp) and the return every certified Yazdhi female for $100,00 a head, then make their way to a certified Jordanian, Israeli checkpoint for a payday.
Get real, for a few bucks, much cheaper than any western military campaign, these ISIS arse clowns could be tacked on the wall of every western SOF squad bar within 30 days provided we drop the rules and take off the gloves.
Won't work though. The luvvies would rather see hundreds of bodies of refugee kids wash up on the beaches rather than to do what's right, no matter how distasteful if may seem.
Anyone object?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Kremlin sends men and arms to prop up dying Assad regime | The Times
The Times (behind firewall): Kremlin sends men and arms to prop up dying Assad regime
Russian forces are fighting alongside President Assad’s army, according to Syria’s government-run television station.
A three-minute film shot by a militia loyal to Assad showed troops backed by an armoured vehicle that is among the most advanced in the Russian Army. Russian voices were clearly audible. The footage claimed to show government forces fighting advancing rebels in the Latakia mountains, in the heartland of Assad’s Alawite minority. Analysts were surprised by the appearance of a BTR-82A armoured car, which was delivered to Russian troops only last year. The turret gun system, which can be seen firing in the footage, contains sophisticated stabilisation, night vision and satellite navigation systems.
The audio track to the footage includes an off-screen voice shouting commands in Russian, apparently to the crew of the vehicle. “You can hear Russian, that is correct,” Igor Sutyagin, a Russian military specialist at the Royal United Services Institute, said. Russian military advisers have long been thought to be in Syria as part of Moscow’s support for the regime. However, they have never been seen taking part in combat operations. Dr Sutyagin said he was not certain whether the Russian speakers were serving soldiers or civilian ex-military contractors, who would be a “deniable presence” for Moscow.
The news comes amid reports of growing Russian involvement in the war and with Moscow pushing for a regional coalition against Isis that would include Assad forces. Photographs uploaded to a shipping blog site on August 20 showed a Russian naval vessel heading south through the Bosphorus strait, its decks crammed with military vehicles. The destination of the alligator-class landing ship Nikolai Filchenkov is unknown, but is suspected to be the Russian-controlled Syrian port of Tartous. The pictures attracted the interest of analysts because it was the first time a vessel had been seen carrying military hardware through Istanbul so openly.
The Russian military’s relationship with Syrian forces goes back decades. Tartus is Russia’s only base on the Mediterranean and many Syrian officers receive training in Moscow. Rebel activists in Latakia identified the mountaintop town of Slunfeh, east of the port city, as a listening post run by Russian troops. “The Russians have been there a long time,” an activist with the Free Syrian Army 1st Division said. “There are more Russian officials who came to Slunfeh in recent weeks. We don’t know how many but can assure you there has been Russian reinforcement.”
Syria.net, a rebel website, alleged on August 12 that Russian forces had started to take a direct role in organising regime defensive lines in the mountains above Latakia. Two Russian-made drones were photographed after crashing in rebel held areas of nearby Idlib province in July. The Syrian government has boasted of the continued strength of Russian support. Assad said on Lebanese television last week: “We have strong confidence in the Russians as they have proven throughout this crisis, for four years, that they are sincere and transparent in their relationship with us.”
Last week the pro-regime propaganda outlet al-Watan, a questionable source, reported that Russia planned to build a second military base at Jableh, on the coast south of Latakia.
The Russian government has denied a report carried by the Israeli newspaper Ynet on Monday that Moscow was preparing to deliver an entire “expeditionary force” to Syria to fight openly alongside regime troops. Russia has not confirmed reports in the Turkish media that six Mig-31M aircraft landed in Damascus on Sunday. “In the coming weeks,” the Ynet report claimed, citing unnamed Western diplomats, “thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisers, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division and the pilots who will operate the aircraft.”
US officials confirm that Washington monitors Russian support for the Assad regime, but officials from the Pentagon, State Department and White House all declined to comment on changing levels of that support or rumours of a Russian “expeditionary force”. President Obama said last month that the Syrian regime’s key allies — Russia and Iran — “recognise that the trend lines are not good for Assad”.
The Times (behind firewall): Kremlin sends men and arms to prop up dying Assad regime
Russian forces are fighting alongside President Assad’s army, according to Syria’s government-run television station.
A three-minute film shot by a militia loyal to Assad showed troops backed by an armoured vehicle that is among the most advanced in the Russian Army. Russian voices were clearly audible. The footage claimed to show government forces fighting advancing rebels in the Latakia mountains, in the heartland of Assad’s Alawite minority. Analysts were surprised by the appearance of a BTR-82A armoured car, which was delivered to Russian troops only last year. The turret gun system, which can be seen firing in the footage, contains sophisticated stabilisation, night vision and satellite navigation systems.
The audio track to the footage includes an off-screen voice shouting commands in Russian, apparently to the crew of the vehicle. “You can hear Russian, that is correct,” Igor Sutyagin, a Russian military specialist at the Royal United Services Institute, said. Russian military advisers have long been thought to be in Syria as part of Moscow’s support for the regime. However, they have never been seen taking part in combat operations. Dr Sutyagin said he was not certain whether the Russian speakers were serving soldiers or civilian ex-military contractors, who would be a “deniable presence” for Moscow.
The news comes amid reports of growing Russian involvement in the war and with Moscow pushing for a regional coalition against Isis that would include Assad forces. Photographs uploaded to a shipping blog site on August 20 showed a Russian naval vessel heading south through the Bosphorus strait, its decks crammed with military vehicles. The destination of the alligator-class landing ship Nikolai Filchenkov is unknown, but is suspected to be the Russian-controlled Syrian port of Tartous. The pictures attracted the interest of analysts because it was the first time a vessel had been seen carrying military hardware through Istanbul so openly.
The Russian military’s relationship with Syrian forces goes back decades. Tartus is Russia’s only base on the Mediterranean and many Syrian officers receive training in Moscow. Rebel activists in Latakia identified the mountaintop town of Slunfeh, east of the port city, as a listening post run by Russian troops. “The Russians have been there a long time,” an activist with the Free Syrian Army 1st Division said. “There are more Russian officials who came to Slunfeh in recent weeks. We don’t know how many but can assure you there has been Russian reinforcement.”
Syria.net, a rebel website, alleged on August 12 that Russian forces had started to take a direct role in organising regime defensive lines in the mountains above Latakia. Two Russian-made drones were photographed after crashing in rebel held areas of nearby Idlib province in July. The Syrian government has boasted of the continued strength of Russian support. Assad said on Lebanese television last week: “We have strong confidence in the Russians as they have proven throughout this crisis, for four years, that they are sincere and transparent in their relationship with us.”
Last week the pro-regime propaganda outlet al-Watan, a questionable source, reported that Russia planned to build a second military base at Jableh, on the coast south of Latakia.
The Russian government has denied a report carried by the Israeli newspaper Ynet on Monday that Moscow was preparing to deliver an entire “expeditionary force” to Syria to fight openly alongside regime troops. Russia has not confirmed reports in the Turkish media that six Mig-31M aircraft landed in Damascus on Sunday. “In the coming weeks,” the Ynet report claimed, citing unnamed Western diplomats, “thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisers, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division and the pilots who will operate the aircraft.”
US officials confirm that Washington monitors Russian support for the Assad regime, but officials from the Pentagon, State Department and White House all declined to comment on changing levels of that support or rumours of a Russian “expeditionary force”. President Obama said last month that the Syrian regime’s key allies — Russia and Iran — “recognise that the trend lines are not good for Assad”.
I don't see the Israelis wasting their time on that any time soon. With the internal mess Assad has to deal with, the chances of him doing anything to mess with the Israelis, who he knows can whack him almost at will, seems remote.
@ORAC: FWIW, America has a variety of mil assistance missions in a great many countries. So the Russians have one ongoing in Syria. *shrugs* Given that their objectives overlap (at least in part) with the general Western objective of dealing with the ISIS group in that multi faction cat fight going on in Syria (and for that matter in Iraq) I don't see it as a problem.
It may in the long term be helpful (it may also make the mess somewhat messier): hard to say.
It may in the long term be helpful (it may also make the mess somewhat messier): hard to say.
LT Selfridge,
The MiG-31 story is bogus.
Quote:
Russia has not sent Mikoyan MiG-31 supersonic interceptors to Syria and does not intend to operate the aircraft in the war-torn country, CEO of Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG Sergei Korotkov stated refuting recent rumors.
No MiG-31s for Damascus: Russia Denies Sending Interceptors to Syria
The MiG-31 story is bogus.
Quote:
Russia has not sent Mikoyan MiG-31 supersonic interceptors to Syria and does not intend to operate the aircraft in the war-torn country, CEO of Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG Sergei Korotkov stated refuting recent rumors.
No MiG-31s for Damascus: Russia Denies Sending Interceptors to Syria
Melmothtw,
Korotkov clarified his response. Remember the initial report was that the Russian Aircraft Corporation had delivered 6 MiG-31s to Syria. Korotov also refuted claims that Russian Air Force MiG-31s had deployed. He would look a bit of an idiot if images leaked or if Syrian state TV started showing footage.
Russia denies delivering MiG-31 fighter jets to Syrian regime
Korotkov clarified his response. Remember the initial report was that the Russian Aircraft Corporation had delivered 6 MiG-31s to Syria. Korotov also refuted claims that Russian Air Force MiG-31s had deployed. He would look a bit of an idiot if images leaked or if Syrian state TV started showing footage.
Russia denies delivering MiG-31 fighter jets to Syrian regime
Sergei Korotkov, CEO of Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) MiG, denied rumors that his company had delivered 6 MiG-31 fighter jets to Syria. Meanwhile the company’s press officer has also denied similar rumors that they have signed a contract with Egypt for the sale of several other fighter jets.
Last week media reports claimed that Russian military aircraft manufacturer RSK MiG had delivered 6 MiG-31 supersonic fighter jets to the Syrian regime as partial fulfillment of a protocol signed in 2007 where the Syrian regime purchased a total of 8 such jets.
Speaking to the press in Moscow, RSK MiG CEO Sergei Korotkov denied that they had delivered 6 MiG-31 fighter jets as part of an agreement signed before the Syrian crisis erupted. “We did not deliver any jets to Syria nor do we have any plans to use them there ourselves,” he said.
Russia is pushing for a broad international coalition in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) featuring Syria, Iraq , the Kurdistan Regional Government, as well as other nations in the region.
Korotkov added that the company’s portfolio contained nearly USD 4 billion in orders. “This year we’ll be deliver 32 jets to the Russian Defense Ministry as well as international customers such as India, where we’ll be delivering 8 planes,” he added.
Meanwhile RSK MiG press officer Anastasia Kravchenko denied that the company had signed a contract with Egypt for the sale of MiG-29 fighter jets. Dismissing such allegations that have appeared in the press, she said such claims were “exaggerated” and “entirely based on speculation.”
Sergei Korotkov, CEO of Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) MiG, denied rumors that his company had delivered 6 MiG-31 fighter jets to Syria. Meanwhile the company’s press officer has also denied similar rumors that they have signed a contract with Egypt for the sale of several other fighter jets.
Last week media reports claimed that Russian military aircraft manufacturer RSK MiG had delivered 6 MiG-31 supersonic fighter jets to the Syrian regime as partial fulfillment of a protocol signed in 2007 where the Syrian regime purchased a total of 8 such jets.
Speaking to the press in Moscow, RSK MiG CEO Sergei Korotkov denied that they had delivered 6 MiG-31 fighter jets as part of an agreement signed before the Syrian crisis erupted. “We did not deliver any jets to Syria nor do we have any plans to use them there ourselves,” he said.
Russia is pushing for a broad international coalition in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) featuring Syria, Iraq , the Kurdistan Regional Government, as well as other nations in the region.
Korotkov added that the company’s portfolio contained nearly USD 4 billion in orders. “This year we’ll be deliver 32 jets to the Russian Defense Ministry as well as international customers such as India, where we’ll be delivering 8 planes,” he added.
Meanwhile RSK MiG press officer Anastasia Kravchenko denied that the company had signed a contract with Egypt for the sale of MiG-29 fighter jets. Dismissing such allegations that have appeared in the press, she said such claims were “exaggerated” and “entirely based on speculation.”
He would look a bit of an idiot if images leaked or if Syrian state TV started showing footage.
All the same, I'll take official Russian announcements/denials with a large pinch of salt these days...
