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Hi BEagle, I guess that's the beauty of the WWW, you put up some credible information and we all learn, it can be added to other information to create work like that and the world is a better place.
Unless you're suggesting that your info lessens that web sites article
Unless you're suggesting that your info lessens that web sites article
Sorry Beags, no insult intended. Funny I never looked at ULAS's books. Did enjoy flying the Bulldog though, especially the trip that was a mock IRT, and my ego cheered by being told I would have got a white card,
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Pretty sure that Leuchars was still available
Makes me wonder what other old equipment is still serviced and radiating around the world "just in case".
>Wander00, I was a member of the RAF's premier UAS, both as a student from 1969-73 and as a QFI from 1990-93. Which one? ULAS, of course, not OUAS!<
A sad and regrettable misconception. Everyone knows that UWAS was, is and always will be the RAF's premier UAS.
Dare I mention the words 'Cooper Trophy'?
A sad and regrettable misconception. Everyone knows that UWAS was, is and always will be the RAF's premier UAS.
Dare I mention the words 'Cooper Trophy'?
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Beags, I'm sure I recall one of the ULAS QFIs complaining that it was virtually impossible to get lost near Abingdon (thus it was too easy for us students) because the condensation plume from Didcot Power Station was so prominent, even with cloud around!
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Could that QFI have been one Eric St***son ? I certainly remember him being of simialar opinion. Had the honour to act as ballast with him on several occasions, whilst serving as ground crew on University Engineering Flight at Abingdon. 77-79 was my experience of UAS service, what a great time.
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Could that QFI have been one Eric St***son ? I certainly remember him being of simialar opinion. Had the honour to act as ballast with him on several occasions, whilst serving as ground crew on University Engineering Flight at Abingdon. 77-79 was my experience of UAS service, what a great time.
Smudge
Tinribs wrote:
Perhaps you were thinking of this:
It's a beam approach indicator, from about 30 years before I flew the JP! Fitted to aircraft such as the Lancaster.
As I recall there was a left/right needle similar to a turn and slip but I don't see it in the photo
It's a beam approach indicator, from about 30 years before I flew the JP! Fitted to aircraft such as the Lancaster.
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BEagle, I'm sure that you were correct in your previous post No 20 where the link http://members.home.nl/a.k.bouwknegt...%20circuit.pdf clearly shows the Left/Right needle.I seem to recall that it was only accurate out to about 20nm but good enough to get you home. At Linton we flew a number of QGH's in the Link Trainer with the help of our 2 Polish instructors. We also flew live QGH's as a means to recover to base. I suppose it very much depended on which squadron you were on or which QFI you were taught by. I was luckily on 2 Sqn at the best FTS in 1972/3, Linton on Ouse.
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...all these posts by people claiming to have successfully used rebecca/eureka makes me doubt my own memories. I am sure it was quite worthless.
...however, the thread has given me vague dreams of saying things like 'hayrake' and 'raking 15 miles for radar pick-up'.
...surely, nobody ever said that?
However, an ATC officer did say, in reply to a request for 'true bearing'
-'your bearing is 222 true, true true 222. ..25 years I've waited for that.'
wets
...however, the thread has given me vague dreams of saying things like 'hayrake' and 'raking 15 miles for radar pick-up'.
...surely, nobody ever said that?
However, an ATC officer did say, in reply to a request for 'true bearing'
-'your bearing is 222 true, true true 222. ..25 years I've waited for that.'
wets
Yes, 'Hayrake' was the brevity word for DME distance and 'Pitchfork' was relative bearing.
Although some Victor people thought that 'Hayrake 55' meant set A/A TACAN to channel 55.....
I seem to recall when doing doggers-over-the-oggers at Brawdy, that someone would have been briefed to call the odd Hayrake value to the rest of the formation.
Although some Victor people thought that 'Hayrake 55' meant set A/A TACAN to channel 55.....
I seem to recall when doing doggers-over-the-oggers at Brawdy, that someone would have been briefed to call the odd Hayrake value to the rest of the formation.
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I can remember using Rebecca every day over 8/8 out of Rissy while trainee instructors pattered on. We used true bearings plus the odd Rebecca position line to stop bouncing off airways. Apart from Rissy, a quick 'strobe' of the Shawb Eureka station kept you in the right area. I can remember getting readings of 20-30nm. If you had a good idea of the winds aloft and kept an eye on Blogg's heading changes & speed, one's DR became pretty sharp. Did Pershore have a Eureka/Rebecca? There must have been another one somewhere. Although the bearing needle under the range indicator flopped about, I can never remember using it for a letdown although we discussed the theory in the event of radio failure. The combination of true bearings & Rebecca range readings for 50 minutes allowed one to position to the northwest of LR at about the right slot time to get a radar pick-up. This was early 70's.
Vaguely remember doing a 'Tacan dive' recovery IMC into Valley many moons ago. Can't recall any details of how it was actually achieved. Alzheimer's perhaps. Anyone fill in the details???...
Ta!
Ta!
It was the standard recovery to self-navigate to the TACAN dive arc (actually a sort of cheese wedge) at Valley, then aim for Point Alfa. I think the dive started at FL185? Then whistle down at 300 KIAS with one notch of flap and idle power. Hopefully then visual to the aerodrome, otherwise change the offset to Point Foxtrot and thence the ILS to RW 14. Much more difficult in the Hunter without an offset box though.
One or two Gnat students set the offset for the VYL TACAN, but had dialled up the wrong TACAN channel - such as the POL TACAN. Diving down to break cloud somewhere over Manchester was a bit of a shock - as it was to the Air Traffickers!
Pretty simple; it's all changed now though.
One or two Gnat students set the offset for the VYL TACAN, but had dialled up the wrong TACAN channel - such as the POL TACAN. Diving down to break cloud somewhere over Manchester was a bit of a shock - as it was to the Air Traffickers!
Pretty simple; it's all changed now though.
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We weren't introduced to the Zero Reader until after the IRT! Once it was set up it wasn't too bad, but the roll demand was a bit lazy. I was once told that it was the same device as fitted to the Britannia...
Was that really so?
Keeping the little ZR bead centralised on the AI whilst scanning the ILS display was...interesting. Whilst remembering to tweak the elevation knob so that the bead's pitch demand was correct as you decelerated / configured.... But with practice, not too bad. I think it gave a fractionally lower ILS Decision Height - 250' rather than 270'?
Was that really so?Keeping the little ZR bead centralised on the AI whilst scanning the ILS display was...interesting. Whilst remembering to tweak the elevation knob so that the bead's pitch demand was correct as you decelerated / configured.... But with practice, not too bad. I think it gave a fractionally lower ILS Decision Height - 250' rather than 270'?
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BEagle, Your memory serves you well. Point Alpha R200/20, Turn Left OR Right to intercept 15 dme arc. Turn onto inbound course to be established at 12 dme.
I only flew Hunters at VY and so longed for an Offset Tacan. Certain IREs expected one to perform a No Compass/No Gyro Point to Point to Alpha followed by a full Tacan Approach. My Limited Panel flying was very limited in those days but I suppose it did improve. Oh how I enjoyed the Phantom instrument displays, although still no Offset Tacan!
I only flew Hunters at VY and so longed for an Offset Tacan. Certain IREs expected one to perform a No Compass/No Gyro Point to Point to Alpha followed by a full Tacan Approach. My Limited Panel flying was very limited in those days but I suppose it did improve. Oh how I enjoyed the Phantom instrument displays, although still no Offset Tacan!