Police Commisioner suggesting troops should be In Calais
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Police Commisioner suggesting troops should be In Calais
And I don't mean travelling on holiday, I thought troops on the streets was a no no.... Its the plods job.
Send Army to halt Calais crisis, police chief says
They should simply change the law and ship them straight back to France, no question, they are not persecuted in France, triple fence the port and electrify the middle one.
Send Army to halt Calais crisis, police chief says
They should simply change the law and ship them straight back to France, no question, they are not persecuted in France, triple fence the port and electrify the middle one.
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120 French police. Drop in the ocean.
Went to Disney Paris a couple of years back. It was being patrolled by armed French Marines. Now that is what they should do.
If the East Germans could get through barbed wire, mines, automatic guns etc, what chance the French stopping thousands of would be immigrants.
And why stop those trying to leave?
Went to Disney Paris a couple of years back. It was being patrolled by armed French Marines. Now that is what they should do.
If the East Germans could get through barbed wire, mines, automatic guns etc, what chance the French stopping thousands of would be immigrants.
And why stop those trying to leave?
Despite all the chaff and flare from the Mayor/Marie of Calais, it is perfectly acceptable for the UK to safeguard their borders - the exact reason for the opt out on Schengen. The French obviously understand this as they recently closed the border with Italy over migration concerns.
This will continue whilst Europe cannot control their borders and the Med is a 6 lane highway for economic migrants. Easy to be critical of the Italians & Greeks but their maritime resources are swamped.
This will continue whilst Europe cannot control their borders and the Med is a 6 lane highway for economic migrants. Easy to be critical of the Italians & Greeks but their maritime resources are swamped.
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Bolleaux to him. As a police commissioner, he should be well aware of the stresses of an infinite workload and a finite budget to fund everything, as it is happening right now with every police force in the country, and it is exactly the same with the Forces. It's not for the Military to do, the Forces are busy enough as it is without doing a job that civilian Coppers should be doing.
Avitor,
Stop reading the Daily Mail...
Stop reading the Daily Mail...
I don't think the extra police being sent to Calais are the French equivalent of the local plod They are more likely to be the CRS who are usually regarded as Europe's toughest riot police.
And as for the control of our own borders arguments its nothing to do with the EU it is because we have lost control of our own country internally that the problem exists in the first place. Remember that for now the border is in France and while we have a problem with people attempting to get to the UK the same people are IN France already.
My personal view is that we should agree with the French that every migrant caught damaging property /trespassing /threatening etc in the Calais area should be fingerprint and DNA taken and checked and then told that they will be denied access to UK since they are criminals or criminal suspects . Of course we will have to share the costs of that and the consequences with France since they won't want them there either but working together we could, even with these numbers, return them to either their first port of call in EU or better direct to their own country.
Its hard and a bit cruel because these people are doing what most of us would do in the same circumstances but all the while we are closing old peoples homes and pricing our own children out of the property market we have to say sorry UK is full unless you are EU citizen.
Sadly i think none of this will happen as it suits government to have a large surplus of workforce over jobs and a ready made 'hate' subject to distract people from other issues here at home like selling the NHS to American healthcare companies piece by piece.
And as for the control of our own borders arguments its nothing to do with the EU it is because we have lost control of our own country internally that the problem exists in the first place. Remember that for now the border is in France and while we have a problem with people attempting to get to the UK the same people are IN France already.
My personal view is that we should agree with the French that every migrant caught damaging property /trespassing /threatening etc in the Calais area should be fingerprint and DNA taken and checked and then told that they will be denied access to UK since they are criminals or criminal suspects . Of course we will have to share the costs of that and the consequences with France since they won't want them there either but working together we could, even with these numbers, return them to either their first port of call in EU or better direct to their own country.
Its hard and a bit cruel because these people are doing what most of us would do in the same circumstances but all the while we are closing old peoples homes and pricing our own children out of the property market we have to say sorry UK is full unless you are EU citizen.
Sadly i think none of this will happen as it suits government to have a large surplus of workforce over jobs and a ready made 'hate' subject to distract people from other issues here at home like selling the NHS to American healthcare companies piece by piece.
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We need to examine what is making the UK so attractive to all of these migrants that makes them want to travel as fast as possible across various European countries to get here. Once that is identified, and we all know that it is our overly generous benefits package, then withdraw it. The problem would disappear overnight.
As an aside, because I am in receipt of an Armed Forces Medical Pension, I am not entitled to any other benefits whatsoever even though I have paid NI for my whole life.
As an aside, because I am in receipt of an Armed Forces Medical Pension, I am not entitled to any other benefits whatsoever even though I have paid NI for my whole life.
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Originally Posted by Top Bunk Tester
We need to examine what is making the UK so attractive to all of these migrants that makes them want to travel as fast as possible across various European countries to get here. Once that is identified, and we all know that it is our overly generous benefits package, then withdraw it. The problem would disappear overnight.
but that's how it is since the lefties just love to hand out benefits to people who haven't earned them, without doing anything to get them on their feet.
Same in Italy, where our criminal government has de facto transformed our Navy into a goodwill - free ferry service.
The criminal lefties eventually want to give the right to vote to them. That's their plan.
I urge all of you to write to your political representative, and tell them that when Italy requests more help to "rescue those poor migrants" your reply should be a big, fat middle finger.
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I still say using landing craft and putting them back on the beaches they left from will soon dry up that route once it gets around that you will pay a couple of K and get nowhere, they will stop paying the traffickers, no customers, no business, means no boats.
Going in close to Libya and picking them up just means that they will set off in even more dodgy boats safe in the knowledge a shuttle service is awaiting them a couple of miles off shore.
Going in close to Libya and picking them up just means that they will set off in even more dodgy boats safe in the knowledge a shuttle service is awaiting them a couple of miles off shore.
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Agree strongly with Nutloose ... it seems the only practical solution, albeit of questionable legality.
"We were rescuing them and returning them to shore" might be challenged in Court
"We were rescuing them and returning them to shore" might be challenged in Court
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... preceded by "Zulus, Sir - thousands of them", surely?
I see that Hattie Harperson has criticised Call-me-Dave's use of the collective noun 'swarm' when describing these economic migrants.....
If that all she's got to contribute, thank heavens her party has zero chance of forming a government in the foreseeable.
If that all she's got to contribute, thank heavens her party has zero chance of forming a government in the foreseeable.
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Top Bunk Tester.
"Overly generous benefits package?"
What??
Have you not been listening to the news of late. Political parties of ALL persuasions have been falling over themselves to limit/qualify/restrain/cut benefits of all kinds for the last 18 months. This lot are no exception and if you think that UK benefits are 'overly generous' then you are obviously not trying to live off them!
I suggest that the reason the UK is so popular is that it has a growing and expanding economy and oodles of openings for folk at the bottom of the income/qualifications pile.
There is a substantial skills shortage in the UK, we don't have enough folk to do the skilled jobs, let alone the rather more unpleasant unskilled menial jobs.
THAT'S why they want to come here.
"Overly generous benefits package?"
What??
Have you not been listening to the news of late. Political parties of ALL persuasions have been falling over themselves to limit/qualify/restrain/cut benefits of all kinds for the last 18 months. This lot are no exception and if you think that UK benefits are 'overly generous' then you are obviously not trying to live off them!
I suggest that the reason the UK is so popular is that it has a growing and expanding economy and oodles of openings for folk at the bottom of the income/qualifications pile.
There is a substantial skills shortage in the UK, we don't have enough folk to do the skilled jobs, let alone the rather more unpleasant unskilled menial jobs.
THAT'S why they want to come here.
One reason the UK has a substantial skills shortage is because hordes of professionals are emigrating because of all the immigrants.
And the immigrants coming in are not, by and large, physics teachers or nuclear engineers.
Furthermore, when you lose all those professionals, you can't educate or mentor the current or next generation to fill the gaps.
I should add that I have nothing against immigrants per se - indeed, I now am one. It is just that the burden of taxation, reduction in services and quality of life deteriorate to the point where the UK simply isn't worth it anymore. Your average immigrant has to be not only a net contributor, but a higher contributor than the average member of your indigenous population (unless you have full employment, in which case they just have to be a net contributor). This simply isn't the case for the UK, and that's why so many the professionals are leaving.
And the immigrants coming in are not, by and large, physics teachers or nuclear engineers.
Furthermore, when you lose all those professionals, you can't educate or mentor the current or next generation to fill the gaps.
I should add that I have nothing against immigrants per se - indeed, I now am one. It is just that the burden of taxation, reduction in services and quality of life deteriorate to the point where the UK simply isn't worth it anymore. Your average immigrant has to be not only a net contributor, but a higher contributor than the average member of your indigenous population (unless you have full employment, in which case they just have to be a net contributor). This simply isn't the case for the UK, and that's why so many the professionals are leaving.