A RAF C17 is going to Tunisia.Slow response from UK?
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Good answers.
Some good answers and thoughts. In retrospect getting a fully fitted medical aid C17 in within 72 hours is really very good. And seems to tie in with what the doctors in Tunisia seem to want, i.e. stabilize people before medvac out. So it probably could have gone a lot earlier if required. They just timed it so thus.
I am just about old enough to remember the evacuation of Cyprus with the RAF aircraft Lou mentioned and a pretty good show it was. Could we do a similar thing somewhere now? Should we ever plan to?
You can get a ticket out of Tunisia to any London airport tomorrow or during the week on a civvy airline for £92 according to lastminute .com so the crisis of movement is passing or probably now passed. Reps and holiday companies seemed to rally well under the circumstances in the end.
Seems horrendous, all of this. The older I get now the less I now want to travel abroad. A mate of mine has a simple template that if the ground outside his abroad hotel will contain more sand than soil then he will never travel there because it means the potential is there for madness. Gradually the lovely Mediterranean is being made less and less attractive.
I am just about old enough to remember the evacuation of Cyprus with the RAF aircraft Lou mentioned and a pretty good show it was. Could we do a similar thing somewhere now? Should we ever plan to?
You can get a ticket out of Tunisia to any London airport tomorrow or during the week on a civvy airline for £92 according to lastminute .com so the crisis of movement is passing or probably now passed. Reps and holiday companies seemed to rally well under the circumstances in the end.
Seems horrendous, all of this. The older I get now the less I now want to travel abroad. A mate of mine has a simple template that if the ground outside his abroad hotel will contain more sand than soil then he will never travel there because it means the potential is there for madness. Gradually the lovely Mediterranean is being made less and less attractive.
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If this is aeromed I presume the travel insurance companies are paying. I did two with the VC10 when this was the situation.
We are not talking about British nationals working abroad or diplomats. They are tourists who had chosen to go to a dodgy area. And, come on, what are the chances of another attack in the final few days of their holiday. Enjoy the empty beaches. Pathetic.
We are not talking about British nationals working abroad or diplomats. They are tourists who had chosen to go to a dodgy area. And, come on, what are the chances of another attack in the final few days of their holiday. Enjoy the empty beaches. Pathetic.
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"The British government's illegal exploits in iraq and waste of time, money and lives in Afghanistan is the main reason these 'terrorists' are a bit pi$$ed off and killing innocent civilians on holiday."
Well Pious, The 9-11 attack on the World Trade Centre was before Afghanistan so think again. Believe me, these terrorists don't need any provocation to satisfy their psychopathic urges to lay their hands on innocent victims.
Their reward (or so they believe) is to be given a whole bunch of virgins to rape.
Lovely people indeed!
Well Pious, The 9-11 attack on the World Trade Centre was before Afghanistan so think again. Believe me, these terrorists don't need any provocation to satisfy their psychopathic urges to lay their hands on innocent victims.
Their reward (or so they believe) is to be given a whole bunch of virgins to rape.
Lovely people indeed!
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In 74 we had relatives with young kids on holiday in N Cyprus. They were airlifted off the beach by a Hercules, having been enthralled by the Turkish jets flying low. Next year parents asked the kids what they wanted to do for a holiday. "Can we have the same again" was the reply!
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I think the definition of "dodgy area" is when the FCO advise against all but essential travel. I don't believe Tunisia was on the list.
Your other comments are just vile but that's just my humble opinion.
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I think the definition of "dodgy area" is when the FCO advise against all but essential travel. I don't believe Tunisia was on the list.
Your other comments are just vile but that's just my humble opinion.
BBK
The reason we have so many Islamic extremists in Iraq and Libya is because we stopped Saddam and Gaddafi from hanging them.
Hangershuffle, you can turn a C17 round in a matter of hours, all the med kit is with TMW at Brize. The main problem is probably diplomatic and getting the FCO into gear over a weekend.
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"The British government's illegal exploits in iraq and waste of time, money and lives in Afghanistan is the main reason these 'terrorists' are a bit pi$$ed off and killing innocent civilians on holiday."
Well Pious, The 9-11 attack on the World Trade Centre was before Afghanistan so think again. Believe me, these terrorists don't need any provocation to satisfy their psychopathic urges to lay their hands on innocent victims.
Their reward (or so they believe) is to be given a whole bunch of virgins to rape.
Lovely people indeed!
Well Pious, The 9-11 attack on the World Trade Centre was before Afghanistan so think again. Believe me, these terrorists don't need any provocation to satisfy their psychopathic urges to lay their hands on innocent victims.
Their reward (or so they believe) is to be given a whole bunch of virgins to rape.
Lovely people indeed!
Highflyer40: Well i do hope the insurance companies/holiday tour companies will then be reimbursing the government for the cost of this repatriation?
The fact that the UK Government wants to send a message by helping out it's nationals is great and I'm sure some of those injured customers without travel insurance are reassured by the sight of the RAF, but the targets for your venom shouldn't be either tour operators or insurance companies. They have repatriated thousands so far, and neither have cost the taxpayer a penny.
He certainly knew the best contacts and has been filling his boots ever since. Ghastly man.
laarbruch 72, very true, one company from the UK has repatriated a patient back to a Welsh hospital on Saturday, and anybody who travels without travel insurance is a damn fool.
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Medivac 1960's Style
Medivac 1960's Style.
This is how we did it in the early 1960's and shows the layout in a Britannia (looking aft) in 1960 whilst I was with 99 Sqn.
This photo with the accompanying medics is a screen grab from 8mm cine film so not particularly sharp.
This is how we did it in the early 1960's and shows the layout in a Britannia (looking aft) in 1960 whilst I was with 99 Sqn.
This photo with the accompanying medics is a screen grab from 8mm cine film so not particularly sharp.
Well i do hope the insurance companies/holiday tour companies will then be reimbursing the government for the cost of this repatriation?
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BBK you do not need FCO advice, you just read the newspapers and I don't mean the tabloids.
As for my comments being offensive, to you, I apologise, you have clearly
never been in a war zone. You put it behind you and get out the cold beers.
As for the relatives of the deceased and the injured that is of course a completely different matter. May they get over it soon and the perpetrators rot in hell.
As for my comments being offensive, to you, I apologise, you have clearly
never been in a war zone. You put it behind you and get out the cold beers.
As for the relatives of the deceased and the injured that is of course a completely different matter. May they get over it soon and the perpetrators rot in hell.
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This response may have been 72hrs after the actual event, but that is in no way 'slow'.
There are two key drivers for that timeline:
1. Diplomatic clearances. It may come as a surprise to many that we can't simply turn up to pick up our own from a foreign land.
2. The primary driver; patient condition. Moving a critical patient from an ICU to an AeroMed ac and then back to ICU at the far end is no mean feat. The patient has to be declared stable enough so that the move does not endanger them. This can take days or even weeks.
No doubt the crews/CCAST team were ready and waiting as needed but all of the pieces have to be in place first.
There are two key drivers for that timeline:
1. Diplomatic clearances. It may come as a surprise to many that we can't simply turn up to pick up our own from a foreign land.
2. The primary driver; patient condition. Moving a critical patient from an ICU to an AeroMed ac and then back to ICU at the far end is no mean feat. The patient has to be declared stable enough so that the move does not endanger them. This can take days or even weeks.
No doubt the crews/CCAST team were ready and waiting as needed but all of the pieces have to be in place first.