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WSO PVR Waiting Time

Old 18th Jun 2015, 08:49
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WSO PVR Waiting Time

Seems that the Nav PVR minimum waiting time goes to 12 months from July. Is there going to be a rush now?
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 13:07
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I sense they are trying to corral people in case we need MPA crews
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 14:33
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Discussed in detail in a previous thread. Not just MPA navs possibly needed but GR4 too.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 14:48
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Yes, I think Pontius has it right. GR4 with (hopefully) years left to go and no replacement WSOs means they need to keep the ones they've got. I'm surprised the PVR waiting time isn't until whatever the OSD is now. Or maybe it is. SDSR2015.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 14:54
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So now longer to wait before leaving, doing the same job, but without flying pay?
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 15:03
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Maybe someone wants WSOs to start PVRing to save on future redundancy payouts.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 15:06
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Wow, Courtney...

That's pretty cynical. What could ever lead you to draw such a conclusion?

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Old 18th Jun 2015, 15:09
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The in the air here in France, BV.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 17:17
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So now longer to wait before leaving, doing the same job, but without flying pay?
Might be quite a few, perhaps the majority, on PA pay spine.

Mind, I think they'd still have to have done 5+ years as PA to keep the PA pension.

Plan it right, by saving up leave, and that 12 months will be considerably less in terms of days at work. I seem to remember my last 'official' day at work was mid-May and out August 31st. With a little more forethought that could've been pulled to the left a bit. Saved a bit (~100) of cash by resigning as a mess member from my last-day-at-work-date too.

No harm in 'catching a cold' either, as long as it starts on a Monday and finishes on a Friday...
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 17:30
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WW, did you know you can't be sick on leave?

The plan: book leave M-F, work following week, leave week after.

Come Monday go down with cold, following week now fit, take leave you missed.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 22:41
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Would recruiting WSOs from the high street really be a possibility or is this very unrealistic?

I'd imagine it's not going to happen due to the disbandment of 55. It'll be interesting to see what might happen if there is a definite need for GR4/MPA backseaters.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 23:08
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I imagine that recruiting back-seaters, for what would be a very limited front-line FJ service would be problematic. You could use chopped pilots with the promise of another go at the front end when they have a little more time. Been done before


Added to that, you need to train the new Navs, using current Navs, which would just make the current problem worse.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 07:20
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We have recently started to recruit ex-navs and refreshing them, both here and abroad.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 08:44
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there are a number of 'young' navs who will no doubt be more encouraged to PVR now, based on the fact that the will have to wait a year to leave. The RAF has yet again screwed up its manning and with it its man management, they hear that nav are disillusioned with nothing on the horizon for them and so they make it harder to leave but offer nothing in return. Not that many would do it, but you'd struggle to make a case for arguing against them not being 'fit to fly' due to stress of losing about 1/4 of their pay overnight too, also i assume they still have to deploy?
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 16:11
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JTO,


Just wondering how many were asked and how many have been recruited?
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 21:28
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Originally Posted by O-P View Post
I imagine that recruiting back-seaters, for what would be a very limited front-line FJ service would be problematic. You could use chopped pilots with the promise of another go at the front end when they have a little more time. Been done before


Added to that, you need to train the new Navs, using current Navs, which would just make the current problem worse.

O-P, your second point is true, at ANS in the 80s we had about 95 instructors and 140 students (at a guess). Over a 3 year tour one nav put out 4 navs.

On your first point, chopped pilots were a poor training risk for nav. My batch had an 80% failure and the one who passed was streamed FJ but unsuitable for Tornado.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 22:39
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Navs, I use the term deliberately although you may substitute your own nomenclature, are not just things you grow on trees or train using a corner of a squadron when there is time. As Pontius has implied, nav training requires an investment similar to pilot training. This is not something you can suddenly start doing without a great deal of investment, and that includes the appropriate cardre of folk with the experience and training to be instructors.

Why do you think Nav School at Finningley was such a big operation?

It would take a massive commitment to restart Nav Training. I doubt the RAF could do it any more and I'm pretty sure it will never be resourced, no matter how badly we need some new Navs.

It saddens me.
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