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Tornado picture - wingtip a foot off the runway

Old 11th Apr 2015, 07:30
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I think there is some lens compression making it look more dramatic but I'm fairly sure it's not been photoshopped.

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Old 11th Apr 2015, 11:12
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Whilst I do not condone what appears to be shown in the Tornado photograph posted and in the video link, and what appears to be an ill-conceived manoeuvre, it is worth stating that there are tasks that require, and approvals that allow, low flying at less than the 100 ft discussed previously. UK military registered fast jet aircraft with a rad alt sometimes perform simulated missile attacks against ships at 50 ft ASL (albeit nominally straight and level). Also, some pilots have a minimum of 30 ft on their UK CAA Display Authorisation, even for fast jet aircraft (G- registered, not current miitary aircraft). Note that if in a turn, the 30 ft separation from the ground applies to the wing tip. Obviously, this minima can only be exercised at an approved display site and not all display sites are approved for the use of this minima.
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Thanks MSOCS. This is the thread I had in mind when I posted:

http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...flying+tornado

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That thread doesn't seem to come to the conclusion that it is photoshopped......

The video seems to suggest not
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Old 13th Apr 2015, 11:01
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Absolutely agree Tourist,

In the previous thread which was linked, all of the self-styled 'experts' appeared to have shut up about Photoshop as soon as the video was posted, as well they might.
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Old 13th Apr 2015, 13:02
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Many many years ago, at a YVL air-day, I watched the Italian display team in their G91s bank, line abreast, in front of the control tower viewing area. The low aircraft put a 20 yard groove in the muddy grass. There was a bit of a wobble throughout the formation, but they carried on with the show!!
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In the late 80's I attended an evening lecture given by the late Roland Beamont in Swindon on the subject of Canberra flight testing.

He showed one photo of himself displaying a Canberra at a Farnborough SBAC show with the aircraft in a turn, close to the ground. He told us that RAE technicians had analysed the photo and concluded that the lower wingtip was four feet off the surface.
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Well I guess we might agree to disagree and, as we'd say if in the bar, let's change the subject?
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Old 13th Apr 2015, 14:11
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No no no no no jindabyne, you don't get off that easy

How do you still call Photoshop when there's video of the incident?
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Doh! Not denying the video - I was, and still am, referring to the photo itself. Cheers - I'm off!
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twothree,

Was in Leeming Tower one Saturday afternoon some 40+ years ago. A pair of Belgian F-104s, which had positioned and refuelled with us prior to doing their display at an airshow, did a low run for us on their way home.

They went into reheat as they shot past well below me. We went out after they'd gone and had a look.

There were scorch marks for 100 yds along the (short) grass !

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In the FI footage, DUMBARTON CASTLE looked to be going quite fast. Now that must have been "Photoshopped".
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Old 14th Apr 2015, 09:47
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Naah, that's not low, this is low....

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Old 15th Apr 2015, 20:19
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In truth, jindabyne, no one's that fussed whether or not it was photoshopped; the only thing that's mildly irritated anyone is you demanding folk accept your dogmatic assertion without explanation or debate. This is a discussion forum you know.

In your defence, at least you didn't compound it by being right which would have been much more annoying.
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Even closer

How about the unscheduled take off at Bruntinthorpe? of the Victor, it's wingtip was extremely close to the ground before it righted itself.
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I realise that makes me sound like a pompous old prat but life's too short to bugger around like that, especially in a two seat jet.
Yes it does

I loved it in the olden days when the low beat ups were common, character building. When pilots were real pilots. Now we have a cotton wool life full of sterilised pc people who dare not do anything even remotely daring
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You obviously have had great experience doing such things. Or you might just be a **** who talks a good fight. Let me know.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 22:05
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Tornado picture - wingtip a foot off the runway

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My comment came from a background of just short of 3000 fast jet hours (and counting), a vast amount of which have been spent at low level. Sometimes as low as 100'. Might I enquired as to your own level of experience?
I won't resort to name calling just yet since you might be a low level legend in disguise but something tells me that potentially isn't the case.
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Old 17th Apr 2015, 10:12
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How do you still call Photoshop when there's video of the incident?
I suspect that video is not the same incident in the photo - just look at the clouds. In the video it's pretty cloudy above and behind the treeline; in the photo it's nice and blue above and behind the treeline.
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Old 17th Apr 2015, 11:22
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P6Driver et al - suppose there is no photo of that Canberra around....hmm, thought not. Pity though!
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