Falklands anyone?
I forgot to say (deliberately) that we have no more MPA a/c with US tactical nuclear depth charges,
as you all know, but politicians & general public don't.
With our current QRA (Listen in to Cameron/Millibands ignorance et al) with the limited fuel range of Typhoon the UK could not cope with an UNPREMEDITATED attack of much more than 8 antiquated Bears, capable between them of launching ASM,s that would decimate ALL of the UK's defence airfields & a few major cities.
Don't mean to rain on anybodies parade but things are not looking good in Europe anymore because of politicians who have never had to have a real job & are refusing to appoint ex-military commanders for defence jobs. I hardly blame them as IMHO above Air Commodore rank they have lost touch with reality.
I"ll toss an other grenade into PPrune; (as a VERY experienced CW/X band SAM operator/trainer), the Malaysian Airlines disaster over Ukraine IMHO was a result of a Russian BUK operator firing on a Ukrainian SUKHOI 25 that was circling the airliner- which we DO know occurred. The operator did not realize that his search radar had switched lock (very easy to do without realizing) from the SU25 to the airliner & IF he realised the change of lock, he could do nothing about it
with limitations of the BUK system....
as you all know, but politicians & general public don't.
With our current QRA (Listen in to Cameron/Millibands ignorance et al) with the limited fuel range of Typhoon the UK could not cope with an UNPREMEDITATED attack of much more than 8 antiquated Bears, capable between them of launching ASM,s that would decimate ALL of the UK's defence airfields & a few major cities.
Don't mean to rain on anybodies parade but things are not looking good in Europe anymore because of politicians who have never had to have a real job & are refusing to appoint ex-military commanders for defence jobs. I hardly blame them as IMHO above Air Commodore rank they have lost touch with reality.
I"ll toss an other grenade into PPrune; (as a VERY experienced CW/X band SAM operator/trainer), the Malaysian Airlines disaster over Ukraine IMHO was a result of a Russian BUK operator firing on a Ukrainian SUKHOI 25 that was circling the airliner- which we DO know occurred. The operator did not realize that his search radar had switched lock (very easy to do without realizing) from the SU25 to the airliner & IF he realised the change of lock, he could do nothing about it
with limitations of the BUK system....
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SAM
Am I going to have to remind you of what happened last time you spouted apocalyptic nonsense on here?
You looked stupid, and then refused to honour the deal.
Remember the deal where you promised to leave the site if you were wrong and I promised to leave if I was?
I'm sure, incidentally, that an experienced SAM operator might have some inkling as to the capability of an SU25 to circle a 777 in the cruise at altitude?
Here is a clue.
What is the max speed of an SU25
How high can it fly?
http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/how-s...lying-aircraft
Am I going to have to remind you of what happened last time you spouted apocalyptic nonsense on here?
You looked stupid, and then refused to honour the deal.
Remember the deal where you promised to leave the site if you were wrong and I promised to leave if I was?
I'm sure, incidentally, that an experienced SAM operator might have some inkling as to the capability of an SU25 to circle a 777 in the cruise at altitude?
Here is a clue.
What is the max speed of an SU25
How high can it fly?
http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/how-s...lying-aircraft
Last edited by Tourist; 24th Mar 2015 at 15:10. Reason: Stupidity annoys me
the Malaysian Airlines disaster over Ukraine IMHO was a result of a Russian BUK operator firing on a Ukrainian SUKHOI 25 that was circling the airliner- which we DO know occurred.
Edited to add: I see Tourist beat me to it, but the questions stands.
Tourist; Quote:
I'm sure, incidentally, that an experienced SAM operator might have some inkling as to the capability of an SU25 to circle a 777 in the cruise at altitude?
Here is a clue.
What is the max speed of an SU25
How high can it fly?
The simple answer to the SAM operators question is "No idea & don't care because I have no time to react to my doubt"! I believe the SU 25 obtains Mach 0.82 with a ceiling of approx. 23,000 feet? So what is your point. other than trying to make me look stupid, stupid? The BUK operator (& he could have been a VERY experienced controller) locked on to the SU 25 (If indeed it was only a SU 25...). He fired & unbeknown to him his static fire control radar shifted to the greater engine rotary noise source (The Malaysian Airlines 4 Turbo jets). He would not have had a clue & even if he did, once launched, the missile was autonomous. There is no self destruct radio signal on these beasts! They guide onto the reflected signal of the ground based mother radar!
As I am some 20 years out of date with CW radar (but the radar spectrum has not & will never change - ever) perhaps somebody from the Wild Weasels or Ex-360 Sqn can educate Tourist.
How about Courtney Mil who although not being a back seater (Whoops, sorry, Weapons Operator) knows all about "A" Scope radar returns!
I'm sure, incidentally, that an experienced SAM operator might have some inkling as to the capability of an SU25 to circle a 777 in the cruise at altitude?
Here is a clue.
What is the max speed of an SU25
How high can it fly?
The simple answer to the SAM operators question is "No idea & don't care because I have no time to react to my doubt"! I believe the SU 25 obtains Mach 0.82 with a ceiling of approx. 23,000 feet? So what is your point. other than trying to make me look stupid, stupid? The BUK operator (& he could have been a VERY experienced controller) locked on to the SU 25 (If indeed it was only a SU 25...). He fired & unbeknown to him his static fire control radar shifted to the greater engine rotary noise source (The Malaysian Airlines 4 Turbo jets). He would not have had a clue & even if he did, once launched, the missile was autonomous. There is no self destruct radio signal on these beasts! They guide onto the reflected signal of the ground based mother radar!
As I am some 20 years out of date with CW radar (but the radar spectrum has not & will never change - ever) perhaps somebody from the Wild Weasels or Ex-360 Sqn can educate Tourist.
How about Courtney Mil who although not being a back seater (Whoops, sorry, Weapons Operator) knows all about "A" Scope radar returns!
I believe the SU 25 obtains Mach 0.82 with a ceiling of approx. 23,000 feet?
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Wow SAM, make up your mind.
One minute "we know" it was an SU25, and the next you are hinting that it might not be.....
To be fair, insane conspiracies are very difficult to keep straight when you are making them up on the fly. Perhaps if you kept some kind of "lunacy file system" it would help.
One minute "we know" it was an SU25, and the next you are hinting that it might not be.....
To be fair, insane conspiracies are very difficult to keep straight when you are making them up on the fly. Perhaps if you kept some kind of "lunacy file system" it would help.
'' He fired & unbeknown to him his static fire control radar shifted to the greater engine rotary noise source (The Malaysian Airlines 4 Turbo jets).''
He's obviously not aware that Malaysian 777s have noise suppression kits fitted as standard on the 4 engine versions!!!
He's obviously not aware that Malaysian 777s have noise suppression kits fitted as standard on the 4 engine versions!!!
If you were a Harrier, F4 or Jaguar or certainly a B52, yes, your radar cross section would be magically reduced to the point of (in the first 3 cases) only detectable with CW radar at approx. 6 Nm
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He's obviously not aware that Malaysian 777s have noise suppression kits fitted as standard on the 4 engine versions!!!
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So is the engine a "source" of noise or a reflector?
How does a radar see noise?
If the missiles like hunting Turbojet engines, why did they go for the 777 which doesn't have them, unlike the SU25, which has two?
How does a static fire control radar shift?
Does it stop being a static fire control radar once it does?
How does a radar see noise?
If the missiles like hunting Turbojet engines, why did they go for the 777 which doesn't have them, unlike the SU25, which has two?
How does a static fire control radar shift?
Does it stop being a static fire control radar once it does?
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Yay
Sam is back
Treatment went well I presume?
They let you out early and then you started forgetting your meds??
And today you came up with more SWAG theories and decided to share....
Seeing as you are "the man" in "the know" can you please give me - by PM if you cannot share in public what ACTUALLY happened to the K129 and Azorian...
And somebody please order me a big forklift, I get the feeling I am going to be ordering a whole load of popcorn
Sam is back
Treatment went well I presume?
They let you out early and then you started forgetting your meds??
And today you came up with more SWAG theories and decided to share....
Seeing as you are "the man" in "the know" can you please give me - by PM if you cannot share in public what ACTUALLY happened to the K129 and Azorian...
And somebody please order me a big forklift, I get the feeling I am going to be ordering a whole load of popcorn
Sorry SAM, but it's election season so the standard and quantity of total b#llocks we are exposed to have risen tremendously - and some of us have flown the aircraft you are on about. You are going to have to Try Harder. 
