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Direct rule from Scotland?

Old 25th Apr 2015, 13:33
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I love the unshakeable confidence of the nationalist fanatics. It must come from Salmond's behaviour during the referendum, persistently spouting "certainties" even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And the ability to quote what one country did to another back in 1707 or some such irrelevance. And the fact that you seem to have three times as much to say as everyone else.

Still, reading your rants filled in some time during half time in the Rugby.

Back to the game. Crack on, as if it will make any difference.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 16:11
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Angry Goodwin!

Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
It might be a slight over simplification to say it is just age related !

Although some younger people might just be a little more naive about trusting any politician
Just goes to show how out of touch you are then


All this media induced storm over the SNP is just that.

We had the same flung at us during the referendum debate, in the end 38% of the voting population voted YES [that’s right 38% they even lie about that but no surprises there] and this really is their LAST chance, hopefully they will be rejected once again and then they can fade into oblivion, just like the Nazi's their originator Arthur Donaldson so admired!!




"you can be sure that Germany will give us every possible assistance in our early struggle. The time is not yet ripe for us to start a virile campaign against England, but when fire and confusion is at its height in England, we can start in earnest."

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotlan...plan-1-1103305


Donaldson and Wolfe- a marriage made in heaven....




Or perhaps not..

Letters reveal SNP crisi over ?bigoted? president?s anti-Catholic diatribes (From The Times 11-9-2010) | David Torrance

"It was February 1982 and Pope John Paul II’s pastoral visit to Scotland was just months away. The Vatican’s diplomatic representative to the United Kingdom had recently been upgraded to ambassadorial rank and Billy Wolfe, leader of the SNP from 1969-79 and a Kirk elder, wrote to Life and Work – the “pre-eminent voice of the Church of Scotland” – to voice his opposition. The Vatican, he argued, was “not much larger than a town’s public park” and its population (“I understand, nearly all priests”) “only about 700”. As such, it was “neither a city nor a state” and therefore not entitled to send a diplomatic representative to the “Protestant United Kingdom”.


Scottish Nationalism has strong historic links to some pretty odious political movements, is it not unreasonable to point out the SNP's refusal to acknowledge their history and apologise for it?

Why won't they .

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Old 25th Apr 2015, 17:16
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Jeez, Glad Rag, don't know where to start on that one, so don't think I'll bother. Bigger fish to fry. Need to cut the grass then have a shave and shower, got a hot date later.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 17:34
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Originally Posted by alwayslookingup View Post
Jeez, Glad Rag, don't know where to start on that one, so don't think I'll bother. Bigger fish to fry. Need to cut the grass then have a shave and shower, got a hot date later.
Really ?

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Old 25th Apr 2015, 18:28
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So who deleted my last comment on this thread - and why?






(cybernats at work???)
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 19:04
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What was my deleted post?

It went something like this:

The way things will pan out is as follows.

May 2015 election - SNP take vast majority of seats in Scotland. Minority Labour government formed, relying on SNP votes to achieve anything.

On the basis of their success, the SNP put into their 2016 election manifesto for the Scottish Parliament that they will seek a second referendum on independence "as soon as possible".

2016 Scottish elections - SNP government returned with large majority.

SNP states that on basis of their majority achieved in both the 2015 and 2016 elections, especially given the inclusion of a referendum pledge in their 2016 manifesto, that "the Scottish people have spoken" and demand a second independence referendum. A weak Labour government, reliant on SNP votes to stay in power, has little choice but to agree.

2017/2018 - second Scottish independence referendum held, narrow YES victory.

2020 - Scotland becomes independent as Westminster parliament comes to the end of its 5 year fixed term.

The above scenario is largely predictable, and virtually unstoppable - and I'm not the only one to think so!

Election 2015: Row over second independence referendum warning - BBC News

How long before this post is "deleted"??
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 19:32
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The above scenario is largely predictable, and virtually unstoppable - and I'm not the only one to think so!
'Tis is often said that the harshest conflict is of sibling rivarly....

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Old 25th Apr 2015, 21:17
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"So we run a deficit". Seems to be a Scottish habit. The UK deficit was run up by Anthony Charles Linton Blair nee Edinburgh and James Gordon Brown nee Glasgow. Do you hate the next generation(s) so much you will saddle them with your bills?

"In fact, pre 1707 the then independent Scotland had no debt" - also no navy, no industry and few roads. After the Darien Expedition had blown 400,000 (about 50% of total Scottish capital), 58.6% of The Equivalent (398,085 10 shillings) was used to reimburse the shareholders of the Scotland Company. Many of whom were in the Scottish Parliament - No conflict of interest there then. Some of the rest was used to set up RBS, now 81% owned by UK taxpayers thanks to Fred the Shred.

Your second point - with the current size of the UK armed forces I do not suppose we need the Scottish LFAs as much as we did. Lossie will be the ideal base for the whole of the Scottish Air Force, and you can use Kinloss for the whole of the Army. Garvie Island can be another Scottish tourist attraction.

Hope the hot date goes well.

Perthsaint # 77

"Plenty of people know how the creation of the two successor states would work"

Three recent examples using IMF World Ranking of GDP per capita:

Czech Republic 38 Slovak Republic 40 Difference 5%
Sudan 138 South Sudan 161 Difference 40%
Ethiopia 174 Eritrea 180 Difference 90%

Then there are the minor difficulties of setting up the machinery for Passports, Driving Licences, etc. Hmm!.

In case you think I am a Scots hater - my sons are called Stuart and Andrew.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 21:27
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Thanks for confirming my point, TT.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 21:35
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And the relevance of this continuing ranting post to military aviation is.........?
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 21:53
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Billy Wolfe:

I was a friend of Billy's in the later days of his involvement with the SNP, despite my Catholic background.

I found him to be honestly passionate about Scottish Independence and I got the impression that he was more in favour of it for Scotland than for himself, than he had been in the late 70s early 80s.

This seemed to be due to the fact that he was not going to be on the gravy train now, so where it stopped was largely academic to him.

He was a great font of knowledge on the processes and constitution of the SNP, as well as really good laugh when telling tales of how he had watched people elbow each other out of the way to the slippery pole.

Mostly, what I would say in response to digging up Billy's objection to the Papal visit, has been said on PPRuNe many times before.

The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 21:58
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I agree with you 1.3VStall. It made an amusing read earlier this afternoon, but this is just becoming another angry rant. And most of the points have all been made here before ad nausiam.

Move to Jet Blast now. Nothing to do with Mil Av.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 23:31
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There is one already. I started this one specifically to highlight the post election influence likely to be placed in the hands of the SNP and the effect on UK finances, specifically the defence budget. Unfortunately my attempts to nudge the debate back in that direction have been unsuccessful.
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