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230 Sqn shenannigans?

Old 8th Mar 2015, 18:11
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230 Sqn shenannigans?

RAF commander ?attacked? juniors | The Sunday Times

This caught my eye today, all been kept under wraps?
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Old 8th Mar 2015, 18:21
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Would love to know the full story!
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You will after the CM.
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Old 8th Mar 2015, 19:19
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Basil, the Wing Commander may have elected for a Court Martial in order to get a Not Guilty verdict. That, if he gets it, would be better for him than it being kept quiet at station level.

The chain of command have an option to drop it if the service prosecutor is not convinced of a reasonable chance of a guilty verdict.

At least with a CM the accused gets to put his side of the case to a wider audience. Trial by media is not necessarily a bad thing. He's currently accused of assaulting them, a trial is the best place to determine if it was a defensive action.
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It would appear that sentencing was at 1000hrs on 6 Mar 15 - https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...15.csv/preview

Sorted out at Stn level? No Sir. When a senior strikes a subordinate then that is bad news in my book...

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Edit: airpolice beat me too it...
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Old 8th Mar 2015, 19:24
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The chain of command have an option to drop it if the service prosecutor is not convinced of a reasonable chance of a guilty verdict.
But the 2 aggrieved parties can pop over to the cop shop and go civilian. Assault is assault.

What's the form in these cases? Career over, guilty or inoccent?

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Career over, guilty or inoccent?
Not at all, some people survive, having done all sorts of bad things.
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It would appear that sentencing was at 1000hrs on 6 Mar 15 - https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...15.csv/preview

The action on Friday was just the court officers getting their ducks in a row, arranging estimates of how long each witness might be in the box and what amount of evidence will be led by both sides.


6 March 2015 1000hrs CM: PCMH 2649567F Wing Commander AP Baron - RAF Benson
THE COURT MARTIAL: PRELIMINARY PROCEEDINGS
PLEA and CASE MANAGEMENT HEARING (PCMH)


Trial is still a few months away.
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I note that a former boss of the same outfit made a significant boo-boo (don't recall if he was CM'd) in the 80s. He made air Commodore. He had a punishment posting to Hong Kong! Tidy boss tough.

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Shame the same didn't happen to a former boss of IX(B) Squadron who had a thing about horses (if you know the story from TELIC 01 you'll understand the reference) who used to take to hitting his JOs, flight commanders, and (allegedly) a female NCO in Goose Bay. I seem to believe that his flight commanders protected him for some reason....
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https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-O.csv/preview


I wonder what kind of useful Community Service the members of the armed forces might be made to undertake, given their skills.
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Airpolice, my apologies, I misread the wrong row...
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30mRad wrote:
I seem to believe that his flight commanders protected him for some reason....

In 1974 I was driving an Air Traffic Landrover and collided, unseen by any witness, with some runway lights, causing a fair bit of damage. This was due to;

inexperience
lack of supervision
and exuberance on wet grass.

On confessing all to a friendly Warrant Officer, telephone calls were made, and I was then sent to speak to a very accommodating senior man at DoE who arranged for repairs, and it was blamed on a Lightning detachment who had been in during the day.

In 1976 I misjudged the gate (at high speed) at the entrance to the ops site and tore the side panels off the crewbus. The Finningley MTO accepted a cash bung, paid not to him, but to the MT Section Tea Fund, as they were in competition with Marham, I think, for the most miles covered without an accident.

The second incident was covered up for the benefit of the man doing the fiddle, so I can see why it suited him to let me escape, but the DoE guy and my boss saved my skin when not only was there nothing in it for them, but they could have been in deep shit if the truth had emerged while they were still serving.

I was at the time, a teenager, with little appreciation of the serious potential of such events.

This (IX(B) Squadron allegation) is about supporting an offender who would have been old enough to know better, as would the guys covering it up.

That's one of the odd things that I now see quite a bit of.

There's no explaining why an an innocent person would enter into a conspiracy to cover up wrongdoing, involving (up to that point) only other people.

If your mate is in the shit, then throwing him a rope is one thing, but getting into a different pile of shit beside him, is another kettle of fish entirely!
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I note that a former boss of the same outfit made a significant boo-boo (don't recall if he was CM'd) in the 80s. He made air Commodore. He had a punishment posting to Hong Kong! Tidy boss tough. CG
Having an RTA while over the DD limit surely isn't quite in same league as sticking the head on the dummy.
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It totally depends if it was defensive
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In my book a head butt is not defensive. No excuse.
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I agree. It's not as if we're talking about two young airmen down the NAAFI...

Obviously, the accused is innocent until proven otherwise.
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Having an RTA while over the DD limit surely isn't quite in same league as sticking the head on the dummy.
The link is being silly in drink, how rank might affect judgement, and how it might play out if someone thinks you've overstepped an unmarked mark.

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I agree. It's not as if we're talking about two young airmen down the NAAFI...
I find that rather patronising.
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