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You'll never get an answer to that on here Danny. My guess is we would not be able to respond with 12 jets/pilots for very long, or if at all and the situation would deteriorate for the UK (if it came to any sort of rolling operation).
Plainly the Russian Air Force will be under instructions to keep at this with an ever increasing slowish rise in tempo as we approach our General Election and (b) as long as it suits Putin to neutralise PM Cameron's role in any way of influencing the outcome of the on-going hybrid war in eastern Ukraine.
It would suit Putin to embarrass Cameron, something militarily he is easily capable of doing.
I expect the Russians to push into UK airspace soon. And it will come down to the young guys and women in the cockpit and older wiser RAF heads on the ground to de-escalate the situation.
Plainly the Russian Air Force will be under instructions to keep at this with an ever increasing slowish rise in tempo as we approach our General Election and (b) as long as it suits Putin to neutralise PM Cameron's role in any way of influencing the outcome of the on-going hybrid war in eastern Ukraine.
It would suit Putin to embarrass Cameron, something militarily he is easily capable of doing.
I expect the Russians to push into UK airspace soon. And it will come down to the young guys and women in the cockpit and older wiser RAF heads on the ground to de-escalate the situation.
the example of the Ukrainian president and decide to subdue their Russian-speaking subjects with artillery, tanks and aircraft.
AVM Allison is confusing cause and effect.
Danny - Yes that occurred to me as well. Mind you, we dont know how many of those Bears in the photo are serviceable . It might be a bit like Akrotiri in the 70s when we used to tease the blokes on 9 and 35 about their impressive Vulcan static display, as so many were u/s at any given time!
I hope you are wrong Hangarshuffle. As they frequently point out they are currently doing nothing that contravenes international law, certainly nothing that we and other NATO countries don't already do ourselves. They have certainly had no compunctions about a de facto invasion of Ukraine, but in their heart of hearts they regard that country as still part of Russia. Invading the UK's (or any other NATO country's) airspace would be a huge step.
I expect the Russians to push into UK airspace soon.
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I noticed in the Sunday Times yesterday that apparently our Defence Secretary has 'ordered' RAF Pilots to 'speak' with the Russian aircrew over the radio during any future interceptions ...
So if I'm correct ... that's a blind transmission on Vhf and Uhf Guard Freqs by our chaps and see if Ivan can be bothered to answer ...
So if I'm correct ... that's a blind transmission on Vhf and Uhf Guard Freqs by our chaps and see if Ivan can be bothered to answer ...
Very timely and interesting article in the latest Air Forces Monthly on Long Range Aviation. It seems to be the one element of the Russian air forces that is getting a lot of money thrown at it at the moment.
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Soooooo...........
In the '60s the UK was chasing Bears with the Lightning.
In the '70s the UK was chasing Bears with the F4.
In the '80s the UK was chasing Bears with the F2.
In the '90s the UK was chasing Bears with the F3.
In the '00/10s the UK was/is chasing Bears with the Typhoon.
In the '20s the UK will be chasing Bears with the.........
In the '60s the UK was chasing Bears with the Lightning.
In the '70s the UK was chasing Bears with the F4.
In the '80s the UK was chasing Bears with the F2.
In the '90s the UK was chasing Bears with the F3.
In the '00/10s the UK was/is chasing Bears with the Typhoon.
In the '20s the UK will be chasing Bears with the.........
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Is the real problem just bad journalism?
(Effing pondlife journos who don't give a flying Fox Uniform Charlie Kilo about the effect of their irresponsible output).
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Where do you get your news from Brian?
Soviet aircraft sniffing around EU borders (similar to what NATO did/do around Soviet borders) is not news.
Have you forgotten Bluff Cove et al so soon? Free intelligence to the target planners in Argentina.
How effective would the propaganda campaign waged by ISIS be without 'news' to give them free coverage? Oh yes, that's 'news' and the public have a right to know. Nothing to do with sales and media ratings of course.
The Australian cafe siege . . . photos of the perpetrator with major media microphones stuffed under his nose giving him 'free' publicity.
'News' I suppose includes working against the very organisations that attempt to ensure our security.
Basically, if media accuracy pertaining to aviation applies across the board, then Christ help us - why would anyone believe the claptrap they read?
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Hangarshuffle (#103) and TTN (#105),
Might be a good ploy of theirs to start with two, then work their way up, using the worst of the others as Christmas Trees, to see if we run out of FJs before they run out of Bears. I wouldn't put money on the outcome, seeing that we've already committed some of ours to do battle with ISIS.
Suppose they put the Blackjacks in as well ? - they seem to be not far short of range compared with the Bear (Wiki). What do we fall back on - Hawks ?
CoffmanStarter (#106),
Nice idea of the "Sunday Times". But I foresee difficulties. How many of our FJ crews are fluent in Russian ? Or theirs in English ? I suppose there is room in a Bear for an interpreter, and there might be a possibility of having one of ours on the ground in UK and setting up a three way conversation that way.. But you couldn't have it on Guard Channel, there would have to be an agreed dedicated frequency.
Danny.
Might be a good ploy of theirs to start with two, then work their way up, using the worst of the others as Christmas Trees, to see if we run out of FJs before they run out of Bears. I wouldn't put money on the outcome, seeing that we've already committed some of ours to do battle with ISIS.
Suppose they put the Blackjacks in as well ? - they seem to be not far short of range compared with the Bear (Wiki). What do we fall back on - Hawks ?
CoffmanStarter (#106),
Nice idea of the "Sunday Times". But I foresee difficulties. How many of our FJ crews are fluent in Russian ? Or theirs in English ? I suppose there is room in a Bear for an interpreter, and there might be a possibility of having one of ours on the ground in UK and setting up a three way conversation that way.. But you couldn't have it on Guard Channel, there would have to be an agreed dedicated frequency.
Danny.
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Morning Danny ... Hence my "Head Banging" emoticon above 
PS. The use of Guard Freqs is contained within ICAO Interception Procedures.
PS. The use of Guard Freqs is contained within ICAO Interception Procedures.
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Props turning slowly?
The props don't turn that slow, it's just an optical illusion from the camera and the real rpm of the props.
Is it out of the question that the Russians did in fact turn off/feather the engines on one side (and then the other) after all; presumably a Bear is perfectly capable of flying on two, albeit on the same side?
I probably need to have my coat ready for a quick exit....
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This coarse then BCG? Looks to be 80-85 degrees if you pause at about 0.51" into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnZMy1WWjZs#t=51
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Hangar shuffle !
The Russians already have penetrated UK airspace. UK guys (and women) have intercepted these Russian 'Bears'. Clearly you do not understand where UK airspace begins and where it ends and have failed to read this thread - keep up.
I expect the Russians to push into UK airspace soon. And it will come down to the young guys and women in the cockpit and older wiser RAF heads on the ground to de-escalate the situation.
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BCG & Seloco,
I can confirm that some Russian TPs do use very coarse pitch in the cruise.
My reference material is elsewhere at the moment but 80-85 deg sounds about right.
In fact, I use an image as wallpaper on my smartphone showing just that.
p.s. I can't post that image on here but I can email it to you if you'd like.
I can confirm that some Russian TPs do use very coarse pitch in the cruise.
My reference material is elsewhere at the moment but 80-85 deg sounds about right.
In fact, I use an image as wallpaper on my smartphone showing just that.
p.s. I can't post that image on here but I can email it to you if you'd like.
The thing that mystifies me about the parts of that video which show the props going round very slowly is that (a) the blades appear to be in the feathered position, and (b) they are exhibing none of the interlacing effects which one normally gets with fast rotating objects on high scan rate HD video.
They're imaged sharply because the shot is illuminated by bright sunlight and the camera is using a very high shutter speed to control exposure.
(source: I work with cameras for a living)
The really strange effects start when you have a rolling-shutter camera, in which the frame is scanned sequentially from top to bottom. Many modern cameras work this way and when you shoot fast-moving objects, strange things can occur.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecV7oo68vAc
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