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Old 9th Feb 2015, 15:56
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BBC seem to have dropped "so called"...Islamic State recently
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Old 9th Feb 2015, 17:15
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The United Arab Emirates has informed the United States that it plans to resume its participation in the American-led airstrikes against the Islamic State group, a senior State Department official said Friday.
Until we can get this "American Led" bit taken over by a regional actor, there will be some gaps that can be politically exploited.

No, I am not holding me breath.
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Old 9th Feb 2015, 17:25
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New depths have been plumbed here in my lifetime and consciousness that's for sure. But with regards to ^^ 'US LED.

Did anyone spot the the elephant sitting at the dining table during the news footage of the increased Jordanian attacks returning F16's??

It wasn't listed as library footage, but that sure as hell wasn't an F16 loitering at low level in the vicinity of the airfield.
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Yep, Raptor.
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U.S. Sending 450 Military Trainers to Iraq for Ramadi Battle - NBC News

Lovely, the "US led" nature of the fight with ISIS ratchets up yet again.

No boots on the ground, all 450 Americans will be wearing ballet slippers.
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Old 10th Jun 2015, 19:30
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But to what end - do we really have the resolve to do anything of lasting effect?

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Old 10th Jun 2015, 19:42
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Lonewolf_50,

Could be wrong, but didn't Vietnam start that way ?

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Old 11th Jun 2015, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Danny42C View Post
Lonewolf_50,

Could be wrong, but didn't Vietnam start that way ?
That would depend upon which year you hold US in Vietnam to have started. Some of us think it was about a month after the debacle and Dien Bien Phu. Others, like Karnow, consider it late 1945 as the Japanese left ...

FWIW Iraq "started" in either 1991 or 2003 (pick your frame of reference) so it's not as though this is something new ... though this latest development was predictable.

Had a few pints with a West Point grad last night. He spent much of 2005-2007 in that lovely place. He's now a professor of Political Science. We both discussed the similarities and differences of those two wars and arrived at "similar but different" as a conclusion. We also agreed that General Powell (Then Secretary of State) in about 2004, was correct in the "if you break it you own it" point.

I remain concerned that it's the first fist into the tarbaby. The Chinese must get a laugh out of all this about once per day, with their tea.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 18:31
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OK Lonewolf, you've got my interest piqued.

I had a little involvement in the Viet-Nam unpleasantness and would be interested to hear your take on the Chinese 'titters over tea'.

Still learning.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 23:49
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Was it that long ago when two soldiers were dragged out of cab in N.I. Stripped naked and beaten to death.
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 09:39
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19 March 1988. I remember it well because it was my seventeenth birthday, and the footage on the news made me want to do anything else but celebrate the event.
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 16:08
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Was it that long ago when two soldiers were dragged out of cab in N.I. Stripped naked and beaten to death.
Yep its incidents like that which remind me where not much better than the current batch. Maybe people should start looking at us so called whiteys back yard before condeming people in the middle east.
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 23:02
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Trying to understand your comment about when Iraq started.
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Old 15th Jun 2015, 16:15
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
LW

Trying to understand your comment about when Iraq started.
About the Chinese laughing: in-re our choosing to dance with the tarbaby in Iraq, they are laughing at us, not with us. Keeps us at risk while they take care of their business.

From a geostrategic perspective, West, Iraq 2003 started in 1991 once the cease fire was signed, and agreed, and then the UN failed to back it up. That open sore of not closing the deal fed the political factors the culminated in 2002 efforts to sell the war and to undertake it in 2003.

Iraq hasn't ended. Even though most of the "fighting forces" were out by the end of 2010, we've had an ongoing support, training and liaison mission since then. Someone just opened the tap again ... and it's deja vu all over again.
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