Gripen NGs for Argentina..!
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Saab offers excellent financial terms. And the move sounds as if the adults in Argentina's leadership may be more than ready to close down the Malvinas thing as soon as the screen door and Madam President's butt make their final contact.
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Ooh, HS. You mean she's got all that dosh. Hmm. You know, she's not all that bad looking, is she?
god forgive me but I'm with Courtney on this one!
Ooh, HS. You mean she's got all that dosh. Hmm. You know, she's not all that bad looking, is she?
god forgive me but I'm with Courtney on this one!
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Really!
Would you lend your best buddy 20 Quid if he had failed to repay it the last 4 times? OK, if you did would you lend him about $17B? Nah, didn't think so.
Argentina has a massive economic problem. The IMF, World Bank or Bill Gates couldn't, and can't pull this one out the toilet pan.
Really!
Would you lend your best buddy 20 Quid if he had failed to repay it the last 4 times? OK, if you did would you lend him about $17B? Nah, didn't think so.
Argentina has a massive economic problem. The IMF, World Bank or Bill Gates couldn't, and can't pull this one out the toilet pan.
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RE missiles. There is the A-Darter that's getting integrated onto Gripen and Brazil is a partner in developing it. I have read that there is a BVRAAM missile under development by Denel too although I presume that is a very long way off. I'm not sure how easy it is for South Africa or Brazil to sell them to anyone given that there are US components inside.
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Got your beer goggles on? Don't browse PPRuNe when obviously pissed.
As for the current topic, I'm surprised Vlad not taking advantage of the situation and offering up some quality hardware.
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Steady on young man.......what's wrong with Yorkshiremen.........some of my best friends are from Yorkshire!
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Is this the same Argentina that a year or two back were trying to scrape together enough money to buy a handful of 35-year-old Mirage F.1s from the Spanish? Or is it another one I don't know about, 'cos the only way I can see Argentina ever operating Gripens is when Brazil retire theirs in about 40 years' time.
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Ahh, I really like the anti Argentine mood of this part of the forum.
Anyway, South Africa bought Gripens and has a USD 350 billions GDP. Argentina USD 611 billions (both 2013). Argentina clearly could afford the Brazil made Gripens (surely with Argentine parts, as the KC-390)
And, really, I don´t like our current governmnent. So if you want to make jokes about the "presidenta" and her botox, be my guest.
Anyway, South Africa bought Gripens and has a USD 350 billions GDP. Argentina USD 611 billions (both 2013). Argentina clearly could afford the Brazil made Gripens (surely with Argentine parts, as the KC-390)
And, really, I don´t like our current governmnent. So if you want to make jokes about the "presidenta" and her botox, be my guest.
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Come on lads - get real
They are "starting negotiations" not taking delivery
things like spec, price, dates.... and Embraer aren't building them yet for the Brazilian AF
plus there may be a new Brazilian President in charge soon - and he's no fan of Mrs K
They are "starting negotiations" not taking delivery
things like spec, price, dates.... and Embraer aren't building them yet for the Brazilian AF
plus there may be a new Brazilian President in charge soon - and he's no fan of Mrs K
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Hmmm interesting deal and me being be are theorizing that, the Swedes could also offer them a Saab AirEye for a mini AWACS ?
Did the Spaniards not offer them / give them some of their ex Mirage F.1 recently?
So the air force is modernizing itself after x amount of decades....worrying or not for any sabre rattling over our beloved Falklands?
Mrs K is quite beautiful and I misread HH's statement as I thought Mrs K had a Brazilian
lol
Cheers
Did the Spaniards not offer them / give them some of their ex Mirage F.1 recently?
So the air force is modernizing itself after x amount of decades....worrying or not for any sabre rattling over our beloved Falklands?
Mrs K is quite beautiful and I misread HH's statement as I thought Mrs K had a Brazilian
lolCheers
Join Date: Apr 2010
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you can offer them a whole bunch of things but Argentina is almost broke - they can't maintain whatthey have
by the time they have some decent planes the FI will have the oil money and will be able to field their own airforce - they'll be able to afford just about anything..............................
by the time they have some decent planes the FI will have the oil money and will be able to field their own airforce - they'll be able to afford just about anything..............................
Join Date: May 2012
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Oh, God. Grown up people...
Is not clear enough by now that military equipment is not cash-payed in advance? Have you taken a look to the contracts signed when UK sold the Type42 destroyers to the ARA, as a quick example? (By the way, wasn´t that the last time the british naval industry sold a brand new war-ship to anyone in the world?)
So far, what we´ve got here is the confirmation of the interest the argentinean government and air force have on the swedish aircraft, only if it´s manufactured by Embraer. The rest of the terms are yet -if ever- to be discussed.
The 24 planes mentioned, are certainly boosting Embraer´s position regarding the need for the plane to be made in this side of the Atlantic. And that was an item that defined the election of the Gripen by the FAB: that it was manufactured in Brazil.
A third thing that might be missing, is that it looks like swedish could be about to become the second language for the argentinean military. The military relation between the two countries is at an all-times high (which is fair to say, was never that high; yet...)
One last thing, recalculate your thoughts about defaults and vulture-funds-pirrean-victories-in-court:
Argentina Bondholders Unnerved as Kicillof Amasses Power - Bloomberg
Default? What Default?
El Club de París reconoce que Argentina no está en default - DiarioBae | DiarioBae
The ISDA appears to have backed-down its statement of August 1st.
Christian
Is not clear enough by now that military equipment is not cash-payed in advance? Have you taken a look to the contracts signed when UK sold the Type42 destroyers to the ARA, as a quick example? (By the way, wasn´t that the last time the british naval industry sold a brand new war-ship to anyone in the world?)
So far, what we´ve got here is the confirmation of the interest the argentinean government and air force have on the swedish aircraft, only if it´s manufactured by Embraer. The rest of the terms are yet -if ever- to be discussed.
The 24 planes mentioned, are certainly boosting Embraer´s position regarding the need for the plane to be made in this side of the Atlantic. And that was an item that defined the election of the Gripen by the FAB: that it was manufactured in Brazil.
A third thing that might be missing, is that it looks like swedish could be about to become the second language for the argentinean military. The military relation between the two countries is at an all-times high (which is fair to say, was never that high; yet...)
One last thing, recalculate your thoughts about defaults and vulture-funds-pirrean-victories-in-court:
Argentina Bondholders Unnerved as Kicillof Amasses Power - Bloomberg
Default? What Default?
El Club de París reconoce que Argentina no está en default - DiarioBae | DiarioBae
The ISDA appears to have backed-down its statement of August 1st.
Christian
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Is not clear enough by now that military equipment is not cash-payed in advance?
And that my friend is the issue.
Given their credit rating is deep within junk bond territory with all the major agencies who is going to extend a line of credit to Argentina with which to purchase these (or any other) aircraft?
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I don´t think that some european or american banks are willing to do so. Neverthless I do not rule the option out. They go after profit like flies go after "left-overs" . If the price is right they´ll play ball. like they´ve always done before.
On the other hand, there are many other sources that you may have not heard of, but are already giving credit to the argentinean government, and I´m talking about US dollars by the houndreds of millions... Repsol, the World Bank, People´s Bank of China, Banco Nacional de Desarrollo Económico y Social (Brazil), Embraer, the Central Bank of Venezuela, among others.
You should not believe everything you read. Credit and loan-givers are not only european or american banks. Money is money everywhere. As long as you have it, all doors seems to open.
Christian
On the other hand, there are many other sources that you may have not heard of, but are already giving credit to the argentinean government, and I´m talking about US dollars by the houndreds of millions... Repsol, the World Bank, People´s Bank of China, Banco Nacional de Desarrollo Económico y Social (Brazil), Embraer, the Central Bank of Venezuela, among others.
You should not believe everything you read. Credit and loan-givers are not only european or american banks. Money is money everywhere. As long as you have it, all doors seems to open.
Christian
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Money is money everywhere. As long as you have it, all doors seems to open.
