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Gripen NGs for Argentina..!

Old 22nd Oct 2014, 23:23
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Saab offers excellent financial terms. And the move sounds as if the adults in Argentina's leadership may be more than ready to close down the Malvinas thing as soon as the screen door and Madam President's butt make their final contact.
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Old 22nd Oct 2014, 23:35
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Ooh, HS. You mean she's got all that dosh. Hmm. You know, she's not all that bad looking, is she?
god forgive me but I'm with Courtney on this one!
Each to their own, personally I think she misinterpreted the instructions and injected buttocks into her face.
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Old 22nd Oct 2014, 23:55
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Each to their own, personally I think she misinterpreted the instructions and injected buttocks into her face.
now now........we're all gods children!
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 00:34
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Whats the percentage Non-Swedish parts in Gripen NG?

the current generation Gripen is 50% USA origin and 25% British


Good luck with those export certificates!
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 01:12
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Really!

Would you lend your best buddy 20 Quid if he had failed to repay it the last 4 times? OK, if you did would you lend him about $17B? Nah, didn't think so.

Argentina has a massive economic problem. The IMF, World Bank or Bill Gates couldn't, and can't pull this one out the toilet pan.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 05:07
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RE missiles. There is the A-Darter that's getting integrated onto Gripen and Brazil is a partner in developing it. I have read that there is a BVRAAM missile under development by Denel too although I presume that is a very long way off. I'm not sure how easy it is for South Africa or Brazil to sell them to anyone given that there are US components inside.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 08:01
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Back to reality - there is not a whisper of this on the Embraer website, and you would expect such a deal to be announced there.

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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 10:57
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Got your beer goggles on? Don't browse PPRuNe when obviously pissed.
Hmm, I don't know there's something about her that does it for me, though i think she's seen better days. Could be worse could be lusting after Hillary

As for the current topic, I'm surprised Vlad not taking advantage of the situation and offering up some quality hardware.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 12:02
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KC-390 plus Gripen NG would make a good team!
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 12:16
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I'm also guessing that Meteor and AIM-120s won't be on the shopping list.
I'm guessing they'll have to go looking for another radar too, given that the Gripen E's is designed and built in the UK!
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 12:48
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Steady on young man.......what's wrong with Yorkshiremen.........some of my best friends are from Yorkshire!
Mopardave, the sense of humour up there is rough! Most people down South can't handle it (I'm a Southerner), so the Argies will go insane! I have no problem with Yorkshire, a member of my family is from Leeds!
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 13:26
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Is this the same Argentina that a year or two back were trying to scrape together enough money to buy a handful of 35-year-old Mirage F.1s from the Spanish? Or is it another one I don't know about, 'cos the only way I can see Argentina ever operating Gripens is when Brazil retire theirs in about 40 years' time.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 14:21
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Ahh, I really like the anti Argentine mood of this part of the forum.

Anyway, South Africa bought Gripens and has a USD 350 billions GDP. Argentina USD 611 billions (both 2013). Argentina clearly could afford the Brazil made Gripens (surely with Argentine parts, as the KC-390)

And, really, I don´t like our current governmnent. So if you want to make jokes about the "presidenta" and her botox, be my guest.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 14:56
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Come on lads - get real

They are "starting negotiations" not taking delivery

things like spec, price, dates.... and Embraer aren't building them yet for the Brazilian AF

plus there may be a new Brazilian President in charge soon - and he's no fan of Mrs K
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 15:07
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Hmmm interesting deal and me being be are theorizing that, the Swedes could also offer them a Saab AirEye for a mini AWACS ?

Did the Spaniards not offer them / give them some of their ex Mirage F.1 recently?

So the air force is modernizing itself after x amount of decades....worrying or not for any sabre rattling over our beloved Falklands?

Mrs K is quite beautiful and I misread HH's statement as I thought Mrs K had a Brazilian lol

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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 15:11
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you can offer them a whole bunch of things but Argentina is almost broke - they can't maintain whatthey have

by the time they have some decent planes the FI will have the oil money and will be able to field their own airforce - they'll be able to afford just about anything..............................
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 15:25
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Oh, God. Grown up people...

Is not clear enough by now that military equipment is not cash-payed in advance? Have you taken a look to the contracts signed when UK sold the Type42 destroyers to the ARA, as a quick example? (By the way, wasn´t that the last time the british naval industry sold a brand new war-ship to anyone in the world?)

So far, what we´ve got here is the confirmation of the interest the argentinean government and air force have on the swedish aircraft, only if it´s manufactured by Embraer. The rest of the terms are yet -if ever- to be discussed.

The 24 planes mentioned, are certainly boosting Embraer´s position regarding the need for the plane to be made in this side of the Atlantic. And that was an item that defined the election of the Gripen by the FAB: that it was manufactured in Brazil.

A third thing that might be missing, is that it looks like swedish could be about to become the second language for the argentinean military. The military relation between the two countries is at an all-times high (which is fair to say, was never that high; yet...)

One last thing, recalculate your thoughts about defaults and vulture-funds-pirrean-victories-in-court:

Argentina Bondholders Unnerved as Kicillof Amasses Power - Bloomberg

Default? What Default?

El Club de París reconoce que Argentina no está en default - DiarioBae | DiarioBae

The ISDA appears to have backed-down its statement of August 1st.

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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 18:39
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Is not clear enough by now that military equipment is not cash-payed in advance?


And that my friend is the issue.

Given their credit rating is deep within junk bond territory with all the major agencies who is going to extend a line of credit to Argentina with which to purchase these (or any other) aircraft?
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 19:18
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I don´t think that some european or american banks are willing to do so. Neverthless I do not rule the option out. They go after profit like flies go after "left-overs" . If the price is right they´ll play ball. like they´ve always done before.

On the other hand, there are many other sources that you may have not heard of, but are already giving credit to the argentinean government, and I´m talking about US dollars by the houndreds of millions... Repsol, the World Bank, People´s Bank of China, Banco Nacional de Desarrollo Económico y Social (Brazil), Embraer, the Central Bank of Venezuela, among others.

You should not believe everything you read. Credit and loan-givers are not only european or american banks. Money is money everywhere. As long as you have it, all doors seems to open.

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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 19:31
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Money is money everywhere. As long as you have it, all doors seems to open.
…and if you do not have it, or have a habit of taking it without paying it back the door tends to hit you on the arse. Words like 'selective default' and CCC- on your credit rating probably hurts more than the door.
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