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Old 9th Oct 2014, 16:58
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"Thanks" to school kids, brilliant gesture
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 19:01
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However, although the preserved aircraft remained in very good condition and could easily be restored to flying status, all the various updates and small changes that the rest of the fleet had meanwhile went through rendered those two Tonkas useless, for all intents and purposes.
Genuine question - why would they be useless? Is it because we cannot (institutionally) see beyond any form of technical obsolescence? I'm certain that a sqn of Tornado GR4 al 1.3 could work quite effectively independently from a sqn of Tornado GR4 al 1.9. And if immediately not realisable, surely a cost benefit analysis to make it happen could be justified? A number of jets a year or two behind the tech drag curve at Akrotiri might make the difference right now between achieving (potentially priceless) political objectives.. and not.
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 21:26
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@Al R: You're certainly right if we're talking about a "doomsday" scenario. However, having a rather limited military threat in conventional terms, the maintenance costs of having several small sub-fleets are simply prohibitive.
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 21:38
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 22:51
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911 is yet another of those museli munching liberal types that never could find the courage required to defend the land of their birth, that they now so strongly despise. Probably spent all their lives in Social work or lecturing
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 22:55
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911, a bit cheesy, but it gets to the point:
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 23:05
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Weston Hills school pupils received bravery awards after yesterdays USAF F-15 crash in the area.
BBC News - Weston Hills pupils get bravery awards after F-15 crash
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 23:05
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Just come across this on Facebook:
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 23:24
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Real wit...LOL...many times over
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 01:22
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BBC News - US Air Force F-15 jet crash prompts safety fears
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 01:32
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 20:03
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Genuinely enthralled by the jet that has raised fears over dogfighting (their words) over built up areas - by coming down in a field. I must be missing something.

Very much enjoyed the eyewitness who testified that in her mind "this was not a controlled crash"...blistering insight.
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Old 11th Oct 2014, 00:11
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Well I suppose some of the population are likely to have a few complaints, after this, it probably did scare the **ap out of them, although its not an every day occurrence these days.

There was a couple on Look North demanding something be done about it

From memory the only accident in that part of Lincolnshire has been the pair of Tornado F.3s near the Digby area in January 96 and the Harrier GR.7 near Heckington in 1993.

Pleased the pilot made a safe landing, even if he had to do via a parachute.

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Old 11th Oct 2014, 09:02
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She saw the F-15D come down and said it was "pure luck rather than judgement" that it did not hit houses and the school.
Hero pilot battles with stricken aircraft to save school.

"From what I saw that was not a controlled crash," she said.
No shit, Sherlock. Must have been one of those uncontrolled ones, then.

"That plane was completely out of control and wasn't manned for the last mile it was flying.
Ah, that would explain it. She needs to apply for a job with the AAIB.

"When it lands so close to a school and so close to houses, that, for me, is a major concern.
Oh, hang on. I thought she said it crashed. Still, an operation of this size, bound to be a few losses. I should have been an RAF spokesman.
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Old 11th Oct 2014, 09:10
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I had always been led to believe that time and probability were related, and things that happen in the past are actually certainties. It's therefore impossible to accurately surmise what might have happened when something else actually did.
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Old 11th Oct 2014, 18:44
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From memory the only accident in that part of Lincolnshire has been the pair of Tornado F.3s near the Digby area in January 96 and the Harrier GR.7 near Heckington in 1993.
Plus a couple of Reds accidents in 87 and 88 (Welton and Scampton in fairness so a little further north). One fatal sadly.
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Old 11th Oct 2014, 19:47
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Courtney Mil, temepered by the subsequent statement,

""I was looking at the site this morning and thinking if the pilot had tried landing the plane where he did he couldn't have picked a better spot because it missed everything.

"But he didn't put it there, it was just chance."

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Old 12th Oct 2014, 16:13
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Cheers

Tay Cough, I was indeed generally referring to the Spalding/Sleaford area

Thinking about it a bit more, there was another Harrier around there in 1999, at Surfleet IIRC

I do remember the accident to I.. ... I 1988 and the footage on TV with the Lightning flypast over Binbrook village church.


That was about the time that the Grimsby RAF careers office failed me for the second time

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Old 12th Oct 2014, 17:32
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I hadn't yet been in a month or so when we were all paraded in anticipation of being deployed as crash guards following a mid air collision between a couple of Harriers near Peterborough. Sobering to think that the T4 student, let alone his instructor, would now be safely retired to a desk or civvy street.
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Old 13th Oct 2014, 00:14
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