Veterans planning to leave Scotland in the event of a yes vote?
Good! The Scots have been nothing but trouble for centuries! They have swopped sides whenever it suits! This time they should be given their freedom with the proviso that they are NEVER allowed back into the union!
Let them find out what it's like to be a very very small fish in a much bigger pond! Just look at the huge companies that are already set to move out of Scotland! That's a huge clue as to where Scotland is headed! Deep depression and no investment for at least the next fifty years!
Just hope I can sell up and get out before they hit rock bottom! The rest is
Let them find out what it's like to be a very very small fish in a much bigger pond! Just look at the huge companies that are already set to move out of Scotland! That's a huge clue as to where Scotland is headed! Deep depression and no investment for at least the next fifty years!
Just hope I can sell up and get out before they hit rock bottom! The rest is
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airpolice,
You asked of the OP, "where is it that you are going, in order to be better off?"
It's the wrong question. The question you should ask is where are you going to avoid becoming worse off, to avoid a drop in the current standard of living of you and your family?
Where are you going to avoid paying more in taxes than you currently do, paying more for your mortgage, paying more for goods and services (ask B&Q, ASDA, John Lewis), paying more for your energy (green subsidies)? Where are you going for greater financial security?
Lastly, as TOFO has already said, where are you going so that your accent, and perhaps more importantly that of your children, doesn't become at the very least a social disadvantage, and potentially worse?
You asked of the OP, "where is it that you are going, in order to be better off?"
It's the wrong question. The question you should ask is where are you going to avoid becoming worse off, to avoid a drop in the current standard of living of you and your family?
Where are you going to avoid paying more in taxes than you currently do, paying more for your mortgage, paying more for goods and services (ask B&Q, ASDA, John Lewis), paying more for your energy (green subsidies)? Where are you going for greater financial security?
Lastly, as TOFO has already said, where are you going so that your accent, and perhaps more importantly that of your children, doesn't become at the very least a social disadvantage, and potentially worse?
Now we hear that RBS intends to move to London, in the unlikely event of Scotland becoming independent....
Others to follow, no doubt.
Others to follow, no doubt.
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Biggus, I thought that my question covered all of it.
However, your wide ranging list of the perils to be faced by the English abroad seems quite comprehensive.
I suspect that even going a few hundred miles south might only result in not being quite so much worse off than if you stay in Scotland, rather than being able to move to the Lakes and avoid all of the pain.
I don't see anything positive for Englandshire in any of this. We might do better, or worse but it only seems to get worse for England (rUK) or whatever you want to call it.
However, your wide ranging list of the perils to be faced by the English abroad seems quite comprehensive.
I suspect that even going a few hundred miles south might only result in not being quite so much worse off than if you stay in Scotland, rather than being able to move to the Lakes and avoid all of the pain.
I don't see anything positive for Englandshire in any of this. We might do better, or worse but it only seems to get worse for England (rUK) or whatever you want to call it.
Just seen some Scottish athlete claiming that the National Lottery already pays for training facilities for Scottish athletes in Scotland! I assume that will end too as it is the UK National Lottery and they will no longer be in the UK?
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"Thatcher taught Scotland to loathe the Conservative Party"
Strange however, that so many of our folk including my mother and sister took advantage of the right to buy that she introduced. Perhaps we are all just hypocrites.
As for the Governance issue, the UK bar Scotland didn't vote for Labour in 1964 or 1974 but got it. The shambles of the 1974 to 1979 Labour Government was a prime reason why the Mrs T came to power. Thats the trouble with Democracy, you don't always get the result you hope for.
Strange however, that so many of our folk including my mother and sister took advantage of the right to buy that she introduced. Perhaps we are all just hypocrites.
As for the Governance issue, the UK bar Scotland didn't vote for Labour in 1964 or 1974 but got it. The shambles of the 1974 to 1979 Labour Government was a prime reason why the Mrs T came to power. Thats the trouble with Democracy, you don't always get the result you hope for.
the UK bar Scotland didn't vote for Labour in 1964 or 1974 but got it.
Had to laugh at the BBC news editing this morning. Starting with news that B&Q, RBS etc, etc, all had plans to move headquarters and jobs south of the border in the event of a yes vote. Then followed by a cut to Alex Salmond for his comment - 'This is good news for Scotland and shows that in the event of a yes vote, Scotland will be significantly better off financially..blah' 
TOFO,
Perhaps you live in a sh1t part of Scotland? I also live in Scotland, in an affluent part alongside many professional, intelligent, capable and dare I say it - capitalist neighbours. All of them will be voting 'NO' on the basis that economic wealth and a known level of standard of living outweighs the benefits of 'freedom' and the huge uncertainties that come with it. Thankfully, these same neighbours do not take issue with my English accent or show even the slightest tendency towards rascism.
Now back to the original post. For me - as someone who wishes to retire and live in Scotland for the rest of my days, I would never put my military pension in the hands of an independant Scotland. Yes, they could make guarantees on day one to honour the pension payment but what if, it all goes wrong for the country and cuts have to be made to avoid bankruptcy? I'm not prepared to take the risk that my pension could be affected.
So rUK payment please, to an rUK bank and taxed at an rUK rate. I will then have to live with the exchange rate issue and draw my own conclusions if remaining in Scotland is still viable.
In a similar vein, chopping from the RAF to the SRAF has a certain attraction. But the guarantee of providing the same wage structure and pension system as I currently have is worthless. I can honestly say that I haven't met a single Scottish member of the RAF and RN who will be voting 'yes' or would elect to transfer to the fledgling SDF. It comes down to the same view as above. Whether the current UK is good or bad, at least the 'knowns' that currently exist can be expected to remain in place. At least for a certain age group that haven't been shafted by new T&C's and the new military pension about to come into effect!
I live in Scotland, I work in Scotland and I climb mountains in Scotland...I meet many, many Scots from all walks of life and most/many of them are voting yes,
Perhaps you live in a sh1t part of Scotland? I also live in Scotland, in an affluent part alongside many professional, intelligent, capable and dare I say it - capitalist neighbours. All of them will be voting 'NO' on the basis that economic wealth and a known level of standard of living outweighs the benefits of 'freedom' and the huge uncertainties that come with it. Thankfully, these same neighbours do not take issue with my English accent or show even the slightest tendency towards rascism.
Now back to the original post. For me - as someone who wishes to retire and live in Scotland for the rest of my days, I would never put my military pension in the hands of an independant Scotland. Yes, they could make guarantees on day one to honour the pension payment but what if, it all goes wrong for the country and cuts have to be made to avoid bankruptcy? I'm not prepared to take the risk that my pension could be affected.
So rUK payment please, to an rUK bank and taxed at an rUK rate. I will then have to live with the exchange rate issue and draw my own conclusions if remaining in Scotland is still viable.
In a similar vein, chopping from the RAF to the SRAF has a certain attraction. But the guarantee of providing the same wage structure and pension system as I currently have is worthless. I can honestly say that I haven't met a single Scottish member of the RAF and RN who will be voting 'yes' or would elect to transfer to the fledgling SDF. It comes down to the same view as above. Whether the current UK is good or bad, at least the 'knowns' that currently exist can be expected to remain in place. At least for a certain age group that haven't been shafted by new T&C's and the new military pension about to come into effect!
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Melmothw, you are of course quite correct as was the case with large parts of England. However, it was a nationwide election and that Nation was not Scotland.
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I will not. I actually quizzed a Yes campaigner on why Wales is not hard on the heels of Scotland in pushing to leave the Union. Her response, Wales was conquered by the English we were not! Technically a valid point but as she had never heard of Flodden or Cromwell's forays North, I think we had that Braveheart film to blame again.
Well, I'd say your friend's explanation as to why Wales isn't pressing for independence would actually be an argument for Wales to be pushing harder than Scotland, given that Wales had no choice in joining the Union.
I'd suggest that the reason Wales isn't pushing for independence in the same way as Scotland has more to do with economic and social realities than with historical conquests carried out hundreds of years ago.
That, and Wales' nationalism has always been more culturally focused than politically focused.
I'd suggest that the reason Wales isn't pushing for independence in the same way as Scotland has more to do with economic and social realities than with historical conquests carried out hundreds of years ago.
That, and Wales' nationalism has always been more culturally focused than politically focused.
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Perhaps you live in a sh1t part of Scotland? I also live in Scotland, in an affluent part alongside many professional, intelligent, capable and dare I say it - capitalist neighbours.
I can honestly say that I haven't met a single Scottish member of the RAF and RN who will be voting 'yes'
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So rUK payment please, to an rUK bank and taxed at an rUK rate. I will then have to live with the exchange rate issue and draw my own conclusions if remaining in Scotland is still viable.
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Well, over here in Canada it seems that our Parti Qubecois are starting to stir again, fed by the nonsense going on in Scotland, thanks guys, that all we needed to really foul things up again, mind you with the exception of goverment dependent companies like Bombardier, all the big players left during the previous bout of stupidity. But the US troops just South of us at Fort Drum will be re -activating their POPO unit again Im sure. {thats preservation of public order by the way, which in turn is code for "lets secure our energy suplies and navigation freedom life lines"} It should take them about twelve hours to acomplish this. eleven laughing, and one doing it!
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I don't see or hear much from the PQ these days, I think they are still licking their wounds after the election night humping they got earlier this year. That and deciding who is going to lead them to their next embarassment.
I have seen the odd story here and there with parallels being drawn, especially by immigrant Scots who are resident in Quebec voicing an opinion.
I will keep a better eye out from now on.
I don't see or hear much from the PQ these days, I think they are still licking their wounds after the election night humping they got earlier this year. That and deciding who is going to lead them to their next embarassment.
I have seen the odd story here and there with parallels being drawn, especially by immigrant Scots who are resident in Quebec voicing an opinion.
I will keep a better eye out from now on.
37 years in the RAF (most fun I ever had with my trousers on!), 18 years in Scotland (for trousers read kilt). Just started the process of moving south. Regrets but can't stay in the car crash the new Scotland will become.
'The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity' (W B Yeats).
'The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity' (W B Yeats).
Me too! Just got the problem of selling the house!
Guess what?
The Scots can't afford it and the English no longer want to live in Scotland!
Even the fishing is crap this year!
Guess what?
The Scots can't afford it and the English no longer want to live in Scotland!
Even the fishing is crap this year!