Political Correctness Trumps Warrior Spirit
Really? Really, really?
Anyway, what a US Marine thinks about this kind of case
A Marine officer who also had a career stopper responds to Major Slider's letter
This sums up his attitude:
Anyway, what a US Marine thinks about this kind of case
A Marine officer who also had a career stopper responds to Major Slider's letter
This sums up his attitude:
I always reminded myself that it was I, not the Marine Corps, who had failed. Serving the Marine Corps was an honor the Marine Corps bestowed on me... it was not an honor that I bestowed on the Marine Corps. The permission and right to wear the Marine uniform was a privilege bestowed on me by the Corps, not some deserved privilege that I had acquired through my own self-absorption. Whether I served one year or twenty years, the honor I had to serve was not a sacrifice, it was an honor that was bestowed on me, and I will always owe a tremendous debt to the Corps for having taught me to be better then I believed myself capable, even if I didn't get to serve as I might have wished.
Dengue Dude,
Spot on sir, and when it does come here, PC will not help us in any way. In a world where factual history has to be written out to comply with such policy, there's no surprise that modern governments are totally bereft of any respect.
Smudge
Spot on sir, and when it does come here, PC will not help us in any way. In a world where factual history has to be written out to comply with such policy, there's no surprise that modern governments are totally bereft of any respect.
Smudge
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I recall one squadron commander's drinking faux pas in RAFG. His punishment was to be relieved of his command. And get posted to Hong Kong!
....... and subsequently promoted again, to retire as a one-star .........
Do you remember any debate, let alone referendum, on say multiculturalism?
If you are aboriginal, I apologise.
It seems to me there are two arguments being conflated,soldiers whose service is no longer required due to issues with alchohol (I do not judge) and political correctness in the armed forces.
These seem, to me at least, seperate issues.Its always been the way that 'between wars' warriors services are less useful, as Kipling said;
"O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play"
When we don't need as many soldiers we get rid,very harsh and the decisions should be based on ?
As for the PC bit, its wheeled out to decry almost anything.I believe in political correctness,fairness,the human rights act & truth & justice !
These seem, to me at least, seperate issues.Its always been the way that 'between wars' warriors services are less useful, as Kipling said;
"O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play"
When we don't need as many soldiers we get rid,very harsh and the decisions should be based on ?
As for the PC bit, its wheeled out to decry almost anything.I believe in political correctness,fairness,the human rights act & truth & justice !
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I believe in political correctness,fairness,the human rights act & truth & justice !
I believe in 3 of the above.
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There is somewhere a speech by Lord Brabazon of Tara I read some years ago pointing out that a number of people who had probably been social misfits came up trumps in the Battle of Britain.
I thought of Tommy Atkins as I read the first entry in this thread.
I thought of Tommy Atkins as I read the first entry in this thread.
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If the Pals Battalions of WW1 could see Dewsbury, Oldham, Rochdale, et al today they would quite literally wonder what country they were in.
Madhouse Britain...
Blackboard = "chalkboard"
Vicious thug = "differently moraled"
Manhole = "person hole"
How about err, "Personchester United"
Or err, "Postperson Pat, Postperson Pat, Postperson Pat
And his vertically challenged, multicoloured feline quadruped"
Come on children. Sing along...
Madhouse Britain...
Blackboard = "chalkboard"
Vicious thug = "differently moraled"
Manhole = "person hole"
How about err, "Personchester United"
Or err, "Postperson Pat, Postperson Pat, Postperson Pat
And his vertically challenged, multicoloured feline quadruped"
Come on children. Sing along...
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Alcohol culture has to forced into decline.
I always thought the RAF had an even higher alcohol dependency than the RN, and that's saying something. Based on my first hand observations of 617 Sqn on detachment in Deci in the 90's (bunch of arseholes), RAF Shawbury (a training unit that had its own bar next to the kids classrooms....) and many more...the antics of a certain EAW I also saw comes back to mind.
The RN was very little better. RM markedly worse at times, what I saw of them.
I tried to find the link about what the coroner suggested to MOD in this case here, was in the papers, cant find it now. This is old news.
Royal Navy warship crews face breath tests under new rules - Telegraph
Yep hate to be the killjoy but the sooner the better, really. Duty Watch (on a ship berthed abroad alongside) musters were always interesting. Most of the young people who I had to brief, issue firearms etc were good as gold, sober and alert, but out of 8 or 10 there was always 1 or 2 who rocked up worse for wear from alcohol.
That culture has to come to an end. Its not pc-ness gone too far, simply better management, better standards being maintained.
The RN was very little better. RM markedly worse at times, what I saw of them.
I tried to find the link about what the coroner suggested to MOD in this case here, was in the papers, cant find it now. This is old news.
Royal Navy warship crews face breath tests under new rules - Telegraph
Yep hate to be the killjoy but the sooner the better, really. Duty Watch (on a ship berthed abroad alongside) musters were always interesting. Most of the young people who I had to brief, issue firearms etc were good as gold, sober and alert, but out of 8 or 10 there was always 1 or 2 who rocked up worse for wear from alcohol.
That culture has to come to an end. Its not pc-ness gone too far, simply better management, better standards being maintained.
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Originally Posted by brakedwell
I always thought a Chair was designed for sitting on, not running things
I'm curious about when enjoying a few wets with your mates and comrades becomes labelled as "alcohol dependency"? Is it all treated the same now? I think many of the new age calvinists out there wouldn't recognise the difference if it bit them on the bum.
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GBZ with any luck the Chair might bite them on the bum, subject to an elfin safety magical risk assessment of course.
It was refreshing to note the civilised tone of Alfred's link, whether the reader agrees or disagrees, when discussing a serious topic after the misspelt and paranoid redneckery of many posters on the earlier links. I say this even though I loath the facile assumptions of political correctness or, as such things were called when I was a sprog, priggishness. (At least in these threads there were no references to lizards in high places or to abduction by extra-terrestials, for which I suppose we should be thankful.)
It was refreshing to note the civilised tone of Alfred's link, whether the reader agrees or disagrees, when discussing a serious topic after the misspelt and paranoid redneckery of many posters on the earlier links. I say this even though I loath the facile assumptions of political correctness or, as such things were called when I was a sprog, priggishness. (At least in these threads there were no references to lizards in high places or to abduction by extra-terrestials, for which I suppose we should be thankful.)
