RAF Pumas to Afghanistan
With the usual FO/MoD delays, I should think the 'stan will be a failed state by then anyway, and the deployment moot.
Shouldn't be at all surprised if some were banking on that. Save a lot of cost/paperwork.
Shouldn't be at all surprised if some were banking on that. Save a lot of cost/paperwork.
Well, judging by your response you were there so will accept your word on the matter. Have to say though that I can't find any google reference to them ever having been there, do you care to elaborate on the nature of your deployment? Were the Pumas just there for 4 months, or was that just yourself?
RAF Pumas to Afghanistan
Well, I guess we have to justify the upgrade when in 2015 the Army won't need the same level of RW support in country but there's also a spending cut, sorry, defence review looming
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C'mon people. I think we're all adult enough here to know what it is likely Cows was doing there after the 'invasion' and before Telic 1 kicked off.
That there is little about in the internet should tell you all you need to know and thus Cows is unlikely to share his experience.
That there is little about in the internet should tell you all you need to know and thus Cows is unlikely to share his experience.
Why won't they need the same level of RW support?
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when in 2015 the Army won't need the same level of RW support
Bearing in mind that there will be less Puma 2 than there were 1s. There will be fewer Wildcat than were were Lynx and the Sea King will also shortly retire.
Post Afghnistan JHC may be able to better support the many many tasks that have fallen by the wayside over the past 5-10 years due to too few assests.
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Agreed. However, I suspect my original post was unclear on my part, and I should have explicitly said support in country rather than in general and as such have amended my original post to reflect that.
I do wonder though, what exactly the Army will do with RW other than the odd large scale exercise and expensive taxi service in the post-HERRICK era, if as we are led to believe, the public appetite for boots on the ground no longer exists and the Army are going into a period of recuperation and regeneration.
Whilst on the one had, as you correctly suggest, a lower level of commitment will permit a sense of balance to be restored on the troops / task front, I also fear it will leave RW across the Services vulnerable to cuts. From my end of the trench, it does sadly appear that what Lord Dannett referred to as running hot those few years ago is now both the norm and the expectation from VSOs and politicians and any 'slacking off' - like giving people weekends and leave to spend with family - will leave those elements vulnerable for the chop. These days people are assets only in so much as they are a tool to be sweated until broken rather than a treasured capability than should be looked after.
Agreed. However, I suspect my original post was unclear on my part, and I should have explicitly said support in country rather than in general and as such have amended my original post to reflect that.
I do wonder though, what exactly the Army will do with RW other than the odd large scale exercise and expensive taxi service in the post-HERRICK era, if as we are led to believe, the public appetite for boots on the ground no longer exists and the Army are going into a period of recuperation and regeneration.
Whilst on the one had, as you correctly suggest, a lower level of commitment will permit a sense of balance to be restored on the troops / task front, I also fear it will leave RW across the Services vulnerable to cuts. From my end of the trench, it does sadly appear that what Lord Dannett referred to as running hot those few years ago is now both the norm and the expectation from VSOs and politicians and any 'slacking off' - like giving people weekends and leave to spend with family - will leave those elements vulnerable for the chop. These days people are assets only in so much as they are a tool to be sweated until broken rather than a treasured capability than should be looked after.
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Melchett, thanks for clarifying. There are plenty of opportunities to use the slightly bigger RW lift capability we now have. Could go back down to the FI with Chinook to name but one or BATUS support as another; the key driver will be AFT.