RAF flying boot
RAF flying boot
For no other reason than idle curiosity, what is the evolution of the RAF flying boot? Recently I have seen adverts from these guys:-
Haynes & Cann Boots - Airfield Equipment UK & Europe
When did the 1965 variant get moved aside for the MK1 boot and is that still the current boot?
Haynes & Cann Boots - Airfield Equipment UK & Europe
When did the 1965 variant get moved aside for the MK1 boot and is that still the current boot?
I believe the heel profile was changed slightly after the crash of a Hawk at Valley in 1986, which I witnessed. It was found to be possible to inadvertently apply brake for certain boot sizes.
H&C lost the contract to supply the MOD a few years ago. There were a number of reasons which included the unit cost at approx £250+ a pair, and the inability to produce a boot that could be used in various environs - my understanding was that they were given a number of opportunities to provide alternative boots but never produced the goods. The alternative solutions, although not perfect, met the requirements for a number of different flying zones, met the various DefStans and for the same price 3 pairs of Belleville could be procured!
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I thought this was going to be about a hybrid submarine/aircraft (das Boot)...
Here's what we used to wear in V-Force in the '70s, and I think we also wore this pattern boot during RN helo flying training in 1969/70 (along with Mk1/G cloth inner helmet combo. I don't recall when exactly we changed over to the streamlined versions (but some of the more...traditional, let's say...kept on wearing these ubtil they were forcibly taken from them).
The upper portion could be cut off, leaving a shoe-like remnant, which would fool any Sov bloc citizens if you were attemting E & E...yeah, right...
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Here's what we used to wear in V-Force in the '70s, and I think we also wore this pattern boot during RN helo flying training in 1969/70 (along with Mk1/G cloth inner helmet combo. I don't recall when exactly we changed over to the streamlined versions (but some of the more...traditional, let's say...kept on wearing these ubtil they were forcibly taken from them).
The upper portion could be cut off, leaving a shoe-like remnant, which would fool any Sov bloc citizens if you were attemting E & E...yeah, right...
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HTB,
I got issued a set of those boots in 77, as they had none of my size left in the 'new' boots, the rest of the course got the the new ones and I was severely 'teased' about mine. The teasing stopped after Hagdyke and Moortrek, my feet remained dry and warm throughout, the rest - not so lucky, their feet looked like they had trenchfoot after a week.
I got issued a set of those boots in 77, as they had none of my size left in the 'new' boots, the rest of the course got the the new ones and I was severely 'teased' about mine. The teasing stopped after Hagdyke and Moortrek, my feet remained dry and warm throughout, the rest - not so lucky, their feet looked like they had trenchfoot after a week.
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Didn't the boots, lightweight, tan come in with the Bulldog as the normal boots could get caught on the rudder pedal adjusters?
I was once in Cyprus waiting to fly the FunBus back to the UK, wearing the normal black boots which weren't ideal in the summer sun. Some staff officer asked me why I wasn't wearing the lightweight boots - and I told him the reason. Which was that our Sqn boss didn't like the colour, so we were ordered to wear black boots. Said staff chap got rather peeved "We don't spend time, money and effort developing clothing items only to have them rejected on some sartorial whim!", he told me. So I thought bugger it, I'll wear the comfier lightweight boots and pass on his comments to the Boss if he queries why I'm wearing them.
Which I did. There wasn't much you could say to that, was there Jim?
Didn't do much for my ACR, no doubt....
I was once in Cyprus waiting to fly the FunBus back to the UK, wearing the normal black boots which weren't ideal in the summer sun. Some staff officer asked me why I wasn't wearing the lightweight boots - and I told him the reason. Which was that our Sqn boss didn't like the colour, so we were ordered to wear black boots. Said staff chap got rather peeved "We don't spend time, money and effort developing clothing items only to have them rejected on some sartorial whim!", he told me. So I thought bugger it, I'll wear the comfier lightweight boots and pass on his comments to the Boss if he queries why I'm wearing them.
Which I did. There wasn't much you could say to that, was there Jim?
Didn't do much for my ACR, no doubt....
Wore the '65 pattern for walking (other than enforced) but the lack of grip was irritating. I liked the sewn in tongue which could keep water out - so long as you didn't step on thin ice with a water depth greater than boot height beneath it - right at the start of an exercise 
"Ah the Tan 65 Patt 'short" boots were the most prized bit of aircrew kit. Some kept wearing them till their toes poked through"
Wore my light tan boots from late 70's to 2003 when they finally gave up the ghost and my toes poked through from grovelling around on concrete during turn rounds, most comfortable boots ever.
Wore my light tan boots from late 70's to 2003 when they finally gave up the ghost and my toes poked through from grovelling around on concrete during turn rounds, most comfortable boots ever.
When I was in UBAS in the late 60s, our QFIs were the only ones with flying boots. The rest of us had to make do with standard black shoes, issued with our hairy blues.
A word of caution concerning the link to Airfield Equipment in the first post. Anyone tempted to buy from that site is advised to have a look at this post http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...ml#post8412319 and the 620 other posts on that thread, concerning the past history of the owner of Airfield Equipment!
A word of caution concerning the link to Airfield Equipment in the first post. Anyone tempted to buy from that site is advised to have a look at this post http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...ml#post8412319 and the 620 other posts on that thread, concerning the past history of the owner of Airfield Equipment!
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"our Sqn boss didn't like the colour"
A Stn Cdr at Waddington also stopped us wearing brown lightweight boots because of the colour. Stores were not too happy when we tried to hand back perfectly serviceable brown boots in exchange for black lightweight boots. He also insisted that AWACS rear crew wear the aircrew knife on flying suit - this after much work making the successful case not to wear one (they snagged on the seat and console table, damaged the seat cushions, and generally got in the way). Wonder if it was the same chap?
A Stn Cdr at Waddington also stopped us wearing brown lightweight boots because of the colour. Stores were not too happy when we tried to hand back perfectly serviceable brown boots in exchange for black lightweight boots. He also insisted that AWACS rear crew wear the aircrew knife on flying suit - this after much work making the successful case not to wear one (they snagged on the seat and console table, damaged the seat cushions, and generally got in the way). Wonder if it was the same chap?
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"I believe the straps were added when Ejector Seats appeared ... But I could be wrong".
The straps were added before ejection seats. The boots had a tendency to fall off with parachute opening shock and the strap was fitted to counter this.
The straps were added before ejection seats. The boots had a tendency to fall off with parachute opening shock and the strap was fitted to counter this.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
For some reason this was preferred rather than issuing a deficiency chit.
I sold my well used '65 pattern, 30 years old and my lightweights 40 years and hardly worn, on eBay.
So why didn't you return them to clothing stores when you retired, PN?
To be honest, I'm astonished that any ex-RAF officer would admit to selling a pair of 30 year old boots on eBay - is there anything you won't sell? You'll be telling us you flogged off your long johns
next.....
To be honest, I'm astonished that any ex-RAF officer would admit to selling a pair of 30 year old boots on eBay - is there anything you won't sell? You'll be telling us you flogged off your long johns
next.....
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Better to go to someone who wants than land fill.
And heaps of people want good, old military gear, re-enactment societies.
Is it because they are boots ?
Should I throw out my 1940 - 60's British Para Smock
which doesn't fit ?
And heaps of people want good, old military gear, re-enactment societies.
Is it because they are boots ?
Should I throw out my 1940 - 60's British Para Smock
which doesn't fit ?
Lots of development in the early days leading up to and during WW I but Supermarine really got going with great advances between the wars... Oh I'm sorry your discussing the evolution of boots, RAF flying boots.