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Learjet down over Germany after collision with Eurofighter

Old 23rd Jun 2014, 14:39
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Learjet down over Germany after collision with Eurofighter

A Learjet carrying 2 people went down over a rural area in central Germany after it apparently collided with a Eurofighter operated by German Luftwaffe. The Learjet wreck was found burning on a field near the small town of Olsberg.

A spokesperson for Luftwaffe confirmed the collision. The fighter jet and an accompanying Eurofighter made it back to a Luftwaffe base near Cologne.

No information yet on the fate of the Learjet's pilot and passenger.

Developing.

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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 14:40
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http://rt.com/news/167888-germany-military-jet-collide/
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 14:44
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Learjet is said to belong to GFD. This company does various electronic target display work for Bundeswehr.

Two Eurofighters were intercepting the Learjet during some training mission when the collision happened. The Learjet involved had been chartered for the training. Both Eurofighters could return to Nörvenich and Cologne airports.

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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 15:12
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http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/artic...Sauerland.html

German paper says 2 persons (crew) aboard Lear during training maneuvers, and that one of 2 Eurofighters had "touched" the Lear.
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Eurofighter - Learjet Midair in Germany

Flugzeug-Unglück : Absturz bei Übung mit Eurofighter im Sauerland - Nachrichten Panorama - DIE WELT

Seems some target practice went terribly wrong.
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German Typhoon - Learjet incident

German Typhoon - Lear Jet incident.

For those that don't know, das Bild is not that reliable, so other than its happened, treat any 'facts' with caution.

Not good news obviously.

Learjet kollidiert mit Kampfjet - Ruhrgebiet - Bild.de
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Always surprised me when this event happens. We don't know all details, but…a Eurofighter has more sensors, radar and other toys than we'll ever know about. It's supposed to see a fly 40kms and be able to hit it at 10kms. I'm always curious how it can be taken by surprise by I presume another transponder squawking a/c. Surely, in this day and age, high speed a/c do not rely solely on Mk.1 eyeball. Would both not have had TCAS on, plus all the other gizmos of the fast jet.
Can someone of knowledge explain why pre-warning and evasion not take place, if only by the fighter.
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probably because they were flying together.
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My bet is that something went wrong during formation flying, and that sensors/ssr etc etc played no part at all.....
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 16:06
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BBC also reporting...

BBC News - German fighter and Learjet collide - two feared dead
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Germann sources state, tha one crewmember of the LJ has been found dead outside of the aircraft. Search for the second crewmember is still on...
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Also a thread running in Bizjet forum.....can mods combine ?
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Confirmed By German Police & Armed Forces

BREAKING: Germany: Lear Jet Crashed after Collision with Eurofighter | nsnbc international

Wreckage pictures: http://rt.com/news/167888-germany-military-jet-collide/
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German Typhoon - Learjet incident

Typhoon in the press lately for all the wrong reasons. Very sad
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 16:49
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The Lear probably had it's transponders on standby anyways, they could have been replicating a highjacking
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It is too early to speculate, but appears that Learjet was being used in conjunction with Typhoon for training - i.e. simulated unco-op target, perhaps involving VISIDENT etc. If this is the case it may merit mil discussion.
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One has to wonder whether it is normal to ask a civilian crew to take on such risks. Why wasn't the military operating the plane with a military crew?
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German press reporting the Learjet was indeed from this company which provides air simulation for the German armed forces: GFD GmbH

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/artic...Sauerland.html
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GFD LJ are under permanent charter for the German military acting as target demonstrator. Crews minly consist of former GAF / GNY jet crews.
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Target towing aircraft / EW
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