Russia Warns Sweden and Finland Against NATO Membership
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Sounds like a self-PR of the authors of this "study" to raise more funds for keep reading and "analysing "some social networks garbage. Sweden is very rare in the Russian news and I can hardly remember its mentioning in the negative context. So, please, stop escalating the tension.
Regarding fake news, those guys better recall numerous cries about Russian subs near the Swedesh shore that finally turned out to be trees or just phantoms of their imagination.
Regarding fake news, those guys better recall numerous cries about Russian subs near the Swedesh shore that finally turned out to be trees or just phantoms of their imagination.
"the Russian invasion of Western Europe in 1919, of course. Hitler didn't.
The Russian target was France, turning the whole of Europe over to the Communist Empire"
UH???????? The Russians invaded Western Europe in 1919????
Must have missed that one in my Modern History class.....................
The Russian target was France, turning the whole of Europe over to the Communist Empire"
UH???????? The Russians invaded Western Europe in 1919????
Must have missed that one in my Modern History class.....................
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Harry, this summary is an OK overview of the same topic.
Big big difference int odays world from the past. The threat in the post ware era through to the collapse was an ideological communist government in Russia /USSR as was with a strinng of satellite states and potential allias. China being one even if that was more ideological that.
Now they are now commies but still mange to get cast as the bad guys even though they have lost all their 'satellites/buffer states and cannot count on China as an ally. Russias still a big country but compared tot he US has a small population and the 65-75 M satellite populations are now all on the other side so its inate insecurity looms pretty large at the moment.
So they want to feel respected and rlevant so cyber warfare is on way of projecting power without risk of actual shooting war and playing around with destabilising western/NATO states being another. As they seem to have 'their man' in the White House ' and potentially aided the Brexit campaign as a way of driving a wedge between UK and Eu and therefor upsetting NATO. (the French have already put forward valid case that post Brexit they are the numero uno European military power and political influence.(also conveneint dry run for helping to get Trump in power)
Both these developments see Russia becoming strong and more relevant but not necessarily with any military objectives other than feeling they have ensured their own security through a weaken NATO.
In any case the Russians have already occupied most of the glitzy bits of London so why go to the trouble of a war
Now they are now commies but still mange to get cast as the bad guys even though they have lost all their 'satellites/buffer states and cannot count on China as an ally. Russias still a big country but compared tot he US has a small population and the 65-75 M satellite populations are now all on the other side so its inate insecurity looms pretty large at the moment.
So they want to feel respected and rlevant so cyber warfare is on way of projecting power without risk of actual shooting war and playing around with destabilising western/NATO states being another. As they seem to have 'their man' in the White House ' and potentially aided the Brexit campaign as a way of driving a wedge between UK and Eu and therefor upsetting NATO. (the French have already put forward valid case that post Brexit they are the numero uno European military power and political influence.(also conveneint dry run for helping to get Trump in power)
Both these developments see Russia becoming strong and more relevant but not necessarily with any military objectives other than feeling they have ensured their own security through a weaken NATO.
In any case the Russians have already occupied most of the glitzy bits of London so why go to the trouble of a war
Might be more accurate to say 'someone we can work with' rather than 'their man' in the White House ' unless hyperbole is you natural style.
Go back to 2012, and the face to face Medvedev had with Obama: 'Wait until the election's over, then I'll have more flexibility" from Obama.
Go back to 2012, and the face to face Medvedev had with Obama: 'Wait until the election's over, then I'll have more flexibility" from Obama.
(CNSNews.com) - President Obama was running for re-election in March 2012, when a live microphone picked up his whispered conversation with then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.
Obama told Medvedev it was important for incoming President Vladimir Putin to "give me space" on missile defense and other difficult issues and that after the 2012 presidential election he would have "more flexibility." Medvedev said he would "transmit" the message to Putin.
Obama told Medvedev it was important for incoming President Vladimir Putin to "give me space" on missile defense and other difficult issues and that after the 2012 presidential election he would have "more flexibility." Medvedev said he would "transmit" the message to Putin.
Might be more accurate to say 'someone we can work with' rather than 'their man' in the White House ' unless hyperbole is you natural style.
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Looks like it isn't only the Nordic and Baltic where Russia is interfering. I'm sure Van can authoritatively deny it all......
Cyprus fears Russia could wreck reunification - POLITICO
Cyprus fears Russia could wreck reunification - POLITICO
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"Brexit campaign as a way of driving a wedge between UK and Eu and therefor upsetting NATO"
Get outta here. Not Able To Organise.
'sides we ARE better out of the clutches of the EVIL EU. The new USSR.
Get outta here. Not Able To Organise.
'sides we ARE better out of the clutches of the EVIL EU. The new USSR.
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Difficult to comment on Cyprus. Not clear what might be the Russian interest - what is written in the article as per URL you mentioned (3rd para) is more than questionable, IMHO. Moreover, if anybody here wants to keep Turkey away from the deal, there is a direct link to Erdogan - talk to him.
In general, Cyprus is a small poor island permanently suffering from lack of water. Recall that King Richard I (the Lionheart) sold it with a "huge discount" shortly after conquering it :-) Looks like it was useless even that long ago.
Also, the Russian criminal elements that flooded Cyprus in 90's then relocated to London (where they are welcome), thus those folks unlikely have interest in this piece of land, either.
Difficult to comment on Cyprus. Not clear what might be the Russian interest - what is written in the article as per URL you mentioned (3rd para) is more than questionable, IMHO. Moreover, if anybody here wants to keep Turkey away from the deal, there is a direct link to Erdogan - talk to him.
In general, Cyprus is a small poor island permanently suffering from lack of water. Recall that King Richard I (the Lionheart) sold it with a "huge discount" shortly after conquering it :-) Looks like it was useless even that long ago.
Also, the Russian criminal elements that flooded Cyprus in 90's then relocated to London (where they are welcome), thus those folks unlikely have interest in this piece of land, either.
Bull****. I don't care for the man, but you are offering a caricature mixed with political propaganda. As to golden showers, what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their hotel room doesn't raise an eyebrow anymore. The year is 2017, not 1955.
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The Turks seem to think it's valuable.
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In general, Cyprus is a small poor island permanently suffering from lack of water. {snip} Looks like it was useless even that long ago.
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In October Mrs H and I were at the Cheltenham Bookfest - there was a round-table discussion chaired by Lt. Gen Ben Hodges, Commander US Army Europe, He was very impressive - and very thoughtful.
In reply to a question on the Baltic he said he wasn't too worried - the threat was "known" and actions were underway. He worried much more about the Caucasus (especially Turkey/Russia), and the Black Sea - Moldova/Romania/Ukraine.
"There is no obvious threat but there is instability and that's when things can get out of control real fast"
In reply to a question on the Baltic he said he wasn't too worried - the threat was "known" and actions were underway. He worried much more about the Caucasus (especially Turkey/Russia), and the Black Sea - Moldova/Romania/Ukraine.
"There is no obvious threat but there is instability and that's when things can get out of control real fast"
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Sweden preparing hundreds of nuclear bunkers amid fears of Russian attack | The Independent
Sweden is reportedly preparing hundreds of nuclear war shelters to prepare for an attack from Russia amid growing concerns in the Baltics.
The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has ordered a review of 350 civilian bunkers on the Baltic Sea island of Gotland, where Sweden has stationed permanent troops. The shelters are designed to protect people against the shock wave and radiation from a nuclear detonation, as well as chemical and biological weapons. Mats Berglund, head of civil protection at the MSB, told Sverige Radio the shelters should be checked by the end of the year.
The island's 350 shelters have capacity for around 35,000 people, although Gotland has a population of nearly 60,000. Over 65,000 shelters were established during the Cold War to protect the Swedish population from the potential threat of nuclear warfare. All of the shelters are marked with a distinctive orange and blue logo, along with the word skyddsrum (shelter).
It comes after the head of Sweden's intelligence agency warned there is "a real and serious threat against the security" of the country. While Sapo head Anders Thornberg did not explicitly mention Russia, the country has been building up its military in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea and its "increasing pressure" in the region.
Non-Nato member Sweden has been upgrading its military with a sharp hike in spending and has urged local governments to prepare their civil defence infrastructure and procedures for a future war. It recently reintroduced a military draft for both men and women over concerns about increased military action in the Baltic region. Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist said the left-leaning government was reintroducing the draft because of a deteriorating security environment in Europe and around Sweden.
Sweden is reportedly preparing hundreds of nuclear war shelters to prepare for an attack from Russia amid growing concerns in the Baltics.
The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has ordered a review of 350 civilian bunkers on the Baltic Sea island of Gotland, where Sweden has stationed permanent troops. The shelters are designed to protect people against the shock wave and radiation from a nuclear detonation, as well as chemical and biological weapons. Mats Berglund, head of civil protection at the MSB, told Sverige Radio the shelters should be checked by the end of the year.
The island's 350 shelters have capacity for around 35,000 people, although Gotland has a population of nearly 60,000. Over 65,000 shelters were established during the Cold War to protect the Swedish population from the potential threat of nuclear warfare. All of the shelters are marked with a distinctive orange and blue logo, along with the word skyddsrum (shelter).
It comes after the head of Sweden's intelligence agency warned there is "a real and serious threat against the security" of the country. While Sapo head Anders Thornberg did not explicitly mention Russia, the country has been building up its military in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea and its "increasing pressure" in the region.
Non-Nato member Sweden has been upgrading its military with a sharp hike in spending and has urged local governments to prepare their civil defence infrastructure and procedures for a future war. It recently reintroduced a military draft for both men and women over concerns about increased military action in the Baltic region. Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist said the left-leaning government was reintroducing the draft because of a deteriorating security environment in Europe and around Sweden.
